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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #30 - Dec 5^th, 2016, 9:16pm

Quote from rmillay on Dec 5^th, 2016, 8:52pm:

Presumably, the problem with differential electromotive properties in different metals is supposed to be addressed with thorough paint coverage of the adjacent parts, possibly including a gasket (Jay?) Any little breach in this protection, however, can start the corrosive chemical reactions that occur between unlike metals. We cyclists may be too demanding of our hardware to prevent this. We could ride our trikes gently, on sunny days, and wash them with damp cloths, but we still rely on good warranties like ICE's. If Jay or Craig is not satisfied with this, some of us would be glad to take them, cheap! Smiley

I taped the slip joint under the seat on both my and Craig's VTXs. The boom may or may not be separated from the frame by a thin plastic spacer. Just to make sure no water gets in the joints, I don't ride my trike in the rain or on wet pavement. The owner's manual doesn't address galvanic corrosion prevention, and I haven't found anything on the Internet about owners having experienced same, but I did hear second hand that Mike R in Denton (Bentvison) had to replace the aluminum rear section of his ICE Vortex, because it "corroded". If he's still participating in the Forum, maybe he can comment.

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FlyingLaZBoy Moderator '16 ICE SprintX fs, '16 Rocket, '12 KHS Mocha Posts: 5803	Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs Reply #31 - Dec 6^th, 2016, 8:50am I've sent an inquiry to Patrick Selwood at ICE, for his comments... and even suggested possible maintenance checks. Paul
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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #32 - Dec 6^th, 2016, 12:21pm

Asked, and answered!!!
Paul

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Hi Paul,

The aluminium back end of all of the trikes is always protected, in the case of the VTX by a tough powder coat paint finish and in the case of the Sprint, Adventure and other trikes by an anodised finish. There is also a plastic shim in there which stops direct contact between the two materials even in the case that the finish is damaged. We have been producing trikes with steel cruciforms for about 20 years and trikes with steel cruciform and aluminium back ends and booms for over 6 years and we do not see the issues that the forum members are worrying about. The benefits of the different properties of the materials outweigh any potential issues with corrosion which might occur because of the dissimilar metals.

If you wanted to pull out the back end and boom and treat the inside of the main frame with a product like framesaver occasionally it certainly wouldn’t hurt but I wouldn’t say it is vital unless you regularly ride in salty or other corrosive conditions.

Thanks,

Patrick

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Inspired Cycle Engineering
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Tregoniggie Industrial Estate
Falmouth, Cornwall
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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #33 - Dec 6^th, 2016, 12:25pm

IMO in this situation , Framesaver should be a requirement.

Quote from FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 6^th, 2016, 12:21pm:

Asked, and answered!!!
Paul

....If you wanted to pull out the back end and boom and treat the inside of the main frame with a product like framesaver occasionally it certainly wouldn’t hurt but I wouldn’t say it is vital unless you regularly ride in salty or other corrosive conditions.

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Action Lad Five Star Member rbent member Posts: 1570	Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs Reply #34 - Dec 6^th, 2016, 12:35pm Quote from rmillay on Dec 5^th, 2016, 8:52pm: If Jay or Craig is not satisfied with this, some of us would be glad to take them, cheap! We'd only be taking them off their hands because we care so much for them....Jay and Craig, that is.
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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #35 - Dec 6^th, 2016, 5:47pm

Quote from FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 6^th, 2016, 12:21pm:

Asked, and answered!!!
Paul

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Hi Paul,

The aluminium back end of all of the trikes is always protected, in the case of the VTX by a tough powder coat paint finish and in the case of the Sprint, Adventure and other trikes by an anodised finish. There is also a plastic shim in there which stops direct contact between the two materials even in the case that the finish is damaged. We have been producing trikes with steel cruciforms for about 20 years and trikes with steel cruciform and aluminium back ends and booms for over 6 years and we do not see the issues that the forum members are worrying about. The benefits of the different properties of the materials outweigh any potential issues with corrosion which might occur because of the dissimilar metals.

If you wanted to pull out the back end and boom and treat the inside of the main frame with a product like framesaver occasionally it certainly wouldn’t hurt but I wouldn’t say it is vital unless you regularly ride in salty or other corrosive conditions.

Thanks,

Patrick

Patrick Selwood,
Inspired Cycle Engineering
Unit 15
Tregoniggie Industrial Estate
Falmouth, Cornwall
TR11 4SN

Thanks, Paul. Double protection (Powder coat or anodizing and plastic shim), so galvanic corrosion is a non-issue, unless the rear section is removed from the cruciform frequently, causing finish and shim damage. Then, application of Framesaver, particularly in a wet area where road salt is present, would be a good idea.

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kenbent6 Five Star Member rbent member Posts: 658	Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs Reply #36 - Dec 7^th, 2016, 3:00pm This means J can start riding his new trike. YYEEEAAA!!!!
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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #37 - Dec 7^th, 2016, 4:56pm

Quote from kenbent6 on Dec 7^th, 2016, 3:00pm:

This means J can start riding his new trike. YYEEEAAA!!!! Smiley

Now's the time to give yourself a Sprint X trike for Christmas. Was at John's Trikes and Bikes this afternoon, buying some accessories. Patti informed me they currently have one that's waiting to be assembled. If you want to spend a little less money, they have an example of Catrike's latest offering, the Dumont, in a display on the floor. You know you want a suspended, folding trike of your own. Cheesy

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JimFPU Five Star Member RBENT member, now in Virginia. I miss Texas! Posts: 1011	Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs Reply #38 - Dec 7^th, 2016, 5:56pm So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...
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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #39 - Dec 7^th, 2016, 6:38pm

Quote from JimFPU on Dec 7^th, 2016, 5:56pm:

So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...

Add another trike to the list - I'm currently assembling a 700 in my kitchen for a Forum member.

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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #40 - Dec 8^th, 2016, 3:53am

Ooh ooh do tell, who did we convert?

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Quote from JimFPU on Dec 7^th, 2016, 5:56pm:

So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...

Add another trike to the list - I'm currently assembling a 700 in my kitchen for a Forum member.

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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #41 - Dec 8^th, 2016, 12:24pm

Lynn is adding a performance trike to her stable.

Quote from MrWizard on Dec 8^th, 2016, 3:53am:

Ooh ooh do tell, who did we convert?

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Quote from JimFPU on Dec 7^th, 2016, 5:56pm:

So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...

Add another trike to the list - I'm currently assembling a 700 in my kitchen for a Forum member.

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FlyingLaZBoy Moderator '16 ICE SprintX fs, '16 Rocket, '12 KHS Mocha Posts: 5803	Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs Reply #42 - Dec 8^th, 2016, 3:40pm Lynn bought Rothgeb's 700... The Sprint X at John's is a duplicate of mine, ordered at the same time.
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Action Lad Five Star Member rbent member Posts: 1570	Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs Reply #43 - Dec 8^th, 2016, 9:54pm Quote from FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 8^th, 2016, 3:40pm: Lynn bought Rothgeb's 700... Attagirl! Now watch her fly. Can't wait for next episode of The Performance Trike Effect. This year saw Craig go from mild mannered Dr. Delta to the blistering ICE Monster.
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Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Reply #44 - Dec 22^nd, 2016, 2:42pm

Next "tweaking" phase on the SprintX -- I've changed out the "medium" front suspension elastomers for "hard" durometer ones, and will change from "soft and medium" rear elastomers to "medium and hard" durometer pieces, in an attempt to reduce power loss through suspension bounce -- while also trying to keep some suspension advantage in place, for city street navigating.

Front suspension changeout:

Rear suspension changeout:

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