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Message started by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 25th, 2016, 10:03pm

Title: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 25th, 2016, 10:03pm

Just picked it up from John's today...  this was the first one he assembled, and there were a couple minor issues, but he worked extra over the Holiday to git 'er dun...After tweaking this and that, and riding only a few miles around the neighborhood, this feels like one fine machine...  the suspension is nice without being too flexy, and the hardshell seat cushion feels great.

The 700c rear wheel is limited to a 28mm tire, so I will occasionally switch to a 559 for wider tires when needed.

No pics here yet, but, me likey...

John has a 2nd one just like mine, for the store, which he will start assembling soon.

Also, the ICE jersey is oversized, compared to a Primal - an XL fits nicely, vs. a 2X in a Primal.

Let the triking begin!

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Mdicke on Nov 25th, 2016, 10:40pm

Congrats Paul.  Now the fun begins.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  Look forward to seeing the trike and you on it.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by GBRAD on Nov 26th, 2016, 10:00am

Paul-
I saw the pics on Facebook, it's a real beauty.  Look forward to seeing it in person.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Nov 26th, 2016, 8:36pm


GBRAD wrote:
Paul-
I saw the pics on Facebook, it's a real beauty.  Look forward to seeing it in person.


It needs to make an appearance at next Spring's Oklahoma Recumbent Rally, so it can visit with its ICE trike brothers.  :)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 26th, 2016, 8:45pm

Here are a few pics from as we spent a couple of hours finishing the build, test riding, and tweaking...

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161125_124043.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161125_124043.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161125_124240.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161125_124240.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161125_124253.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161125_124253.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213939.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213939.jpg.html)

The fit and finish is very nice, and the "decals" aren't decals, they're part of the paint job, just like Bryan Ball described in BROL...  and as anticipated, it fits in the Prius, after taking the seat off!  Terrie took this pic when I got home.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/33508c66-2ffb-4767-9e07-953d7f8d8536.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/33508c66-2ffb-4767-9e07-953d7f8d8536.jpg.html)


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 26th, 2016, 9:09pm

Did a few customizations once I got it home, moving the seat clamp and installing a bracket and "Banana Racer Bags".

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_144433.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_144433.jpg.html)

I also mounted a Road Morph pump in about the only place I could find to put it - along the left rear chainstay.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161125_180101.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161125_180101.jpg.html)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 26th, 2016, 9:19pm

Took a "maiden voyage" this morning on the Lancaster intermediate ride, for 33 miles.  I'm very impressed...

* Tires are a 700c Durano 28 rear and Kojak 1.3" fronts.
*  The ride is rock solid, and the suspension works very nicely to damp out the rough spots, without being mushy.
* The seat feels great, and the pad they provided is very comfortable - no additional padding needed yet!
* The bottom flare of the seat keeps your hips in place in a turn, but the upper part of the seat allows easy leaning into a turn when needed.
*  There seems to be much less "pedal steer" that I encountered on the 700 - perhaps because the seat is somewhat separate from the frame, unlike a 700 mesh.
*  Essentially no brake steer.
*  The feel of "Cruising speed" appears to be ~17 mph... pushing got me up above 20mph occasionally, but it's a workout to keep it there for extended periods -- glad I didn't do the GDB airport ride today!
*  Rock solid in high speed turns.
*  A section of rough chipseal was still felt pretty significantly in my feet, so the suspension didn't do much to dampen that out -- too high of a frequency!

All in all, a very pleasant ride -- I'm gonna like this machine...

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Nov 26th, 2016, 9:28pm

Paul, what is that slotted, radiused stainless steel sheetmetal attached to both the frame and rear suspension? Is it a suspension lockout?

Does the rear suspension have elastomeric shocks?  

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 26th, 2016, 9:37pm

Precisely - a lockout!  The rear suspension near that is two elastomers, mounted on bolts.  Pull out the tab on the lockout, and the rear swings down, allowing access to them.  

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213846.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213846.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213902.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213902.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213910.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213910.jpg.html)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Patti on Nov 26th, 2016, 10:18pm

It is a beautiful trike. Happy riding!

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Nov 26th, 2016, 10:35pm

That's a pretty neat feature. Looks like elastomeric shocks of various stiffness are available, so the suspension can be adjusted to the rider's taste.



FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Precisely - a lockout!  The rear suspension near that is two elastomers, mounted on bolts.  Pull out the tab on the lockout, and the rear swings down, allowing access to them.  

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213846.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213846.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213902.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213902.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161126_213910.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161126_213910.jpg.html)


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 26th, 2016, 10:48pm


jayg wrote:
That's a pretty neat feature. Looks like elastomeric shocks of various stiffness are available, so the suspension can be adjusted to the rider's taste.


Yes, three different densities... and different positions, as well.  The front suspension uses different elastomers, but is also tuneable.

PB

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Nov 26th, 2016, 11:53pm

Did you mention the weight of the trike without the accessories, like water bottle, speedo, etc.?  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Phantom Rider on Nov 27th, 2016, 8:26am

Sweet looking ride Paul, I look forward to hearing more about the experience as you ride more.  I personally feel the 700 is a bone shaker and am truly intrigued by this machine.  Keep us informed as you progress, speed is important to some of us as you well know.  If the speed can be there along with the comfort I just may go have to visit john myself.


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 27th, 2016, 11:36am


Action Lad wrote:
Did you mention the weight of the trike without the accessories, like water bottle, speedo, etc.?  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]


Whether I wore a Speedo or not wouldn't affect the weight significantly....   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 27th, 2016, 11:44am

I also have a nice smaller bag, the Fastback Carbon Slim, which Brian Ball showed in his pictures of the Sprint X review on BROL...  nicely versatile velcro attachment that goes under the seatpad.  Picked it from T-Cycle.  Holds 2-3 tubes, wallet, keys, and phone, although there is no padding or pockets.  Not deep enough for a Road Morph pump.  

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161127_124844.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161127_124844.jpg.html)

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/20161127_124913.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/20161127_124913.jpg.html)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by rmillay on Nov 27th, 2016, 4:47pm

Good looking trike, Paul!  The rough ride of the 700 is the reason I had a seatpad made for mine, Joe.  As an aside, even with little brake steer, hard braking at speed with one hand (as when your sweaty fingers slip off one lever) will take the trike sideways fast!  (Voice of experience.)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Phantom Rider on Nov 27th, 2016, 5:00pm


rmillay wrote:
Good looking trike, Paul!  The rough ride of the 700 is the reason I had a seatpad made for mine, Joe.  As an aside, even with little brake steer, hard braking at speed with one hand (as when your sweaty fingers slip off one lever) will take the trike sideways fast!  (Voice of experience.)


Don't want to hijack Paul's thread but sure would like to see some pics of that pad Bob.  Pad is probably much cheaper than a new trike.  

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 27th, 2016, 6:48pm


rmillay wrote:
..... even with little brake steer, hard braking at speed with one hand (as when your sweaty fingers slip off one lever) will take the trike sideways fast!  (Voice of experience.)


This machine has little to no noticeable brake steer, I'm very impressed...

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 27th, 2016, 6:51pm

It appears to be ~15% slower than the Xstream, for similar effort.  I find myself going down the road at ~18, instead of ~21...  gonna have to work on that, to keep up on the GDB Mesquite and Airport rides...

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Nov 27th, 2016, 10:40pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
[quote author=Action Lad link=1480133024/0#12 date=1480226030]Did you mention the weight of the trike without the accessories, like water bottle, speedo, etc.?  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]


Whether I wore a Speedo or not wouldn't affect the weight significantly....   [smiley=thumbsup.gif][/quote]So, what is the weight of the trike?

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 27th, 2016, 10:49pm

Specs say starting weight of 37 - with all the options I put on it (front suspension. rear suspension, disc parking brake, headrest, etc, and adding pedals) this one comes in at 43...  I may remove the disc parking brake and rear rotor, to drop about a pound.  Another thing that bumps the weight up a bit is the folding hinge feature.


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 30th, 2016, 9:15am

I've removed the rear BB7 disc parking brake and rotor -- serious overkill...

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by rmillay on Dec 2nd, 2016, 4:29pm


Phantom Rider wrote:
[quote author=rmillay link=1480133024/15#16 date=1480286830]Good looking trike, Paul!  The rough ride of the 700 is the reason I had a seatpad made for mine, Joe.  As an aside, even with little brake steer, hard braking at speed with one hand (as when your sweaty fingers slip off one lever) will take the trike sideways fast!  (Voice of experience.)


Don't want to hijack Paul's thread but sure would like to see some pics of that pad Bob.  Pad is probably much cheaper than a new trike.  [/quote]

No pic handy, but I just had a friend sew up something like a seat-sized pillowcase out of polypro outdoor cloth.  I stuffed it with a 1" fiber pad (a thicker open cell foam pad could be used). and sewed it up.  Alternately, you could inquire about the pad that comes on the 559, or the Dumont.  Also the plastic mesh pads some of the Bacchetta riders use come in lots of different sizes.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 2nd, 2016, 6:15pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
The VTX is strictly aluminum, without folding.


Paul, the VTX has a 7005 T6 aluminum boom and rear section and a 4130 chromoly steel cruciform, as does the Sprint X. There's a slip joint under the VTX's seat that allows the rear section to be removed from the cruciform.  

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 3rd, 2016, 2:19pm


jayg wrote:
[quote author=FlyingLaZBoy link=1480133024/15#21 date=1480308583] The VTX is strictly aluminum, without folding.


Paul, the VTX has a 7005 T6 aluminum boom and rear section and a 4130 chromoly steel cruciform, as does the Sprint X. There's a slip joint under the VTX's seat that allows the rear section to be removed from the cruciform.  
[/quote]

Ah, my mistake -- of course that's true!  Same as the Sprint....   :-X

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Dec 4th, 2016, 4:54pm


jayg wrote:
[quote author=FlyingLaZBoy link=1480133024/15#21 date=1480308583] The VTX is strictly aluminum, without folding.


Paul, the VTX has a 7005 T6 aluminum boom and rear section and a 4130 chromoly steel cruciform, as does the Sprint X. There's a slip joint under the VTX's seat that allows the rear section to be removed from the cruciform.  
[/quote]Okay, Jay, I think you answered this last summer on the way into, or out of Braum's, but why in the whole world would they make the trikes of two different, and potentially tragically different, metals?   [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 4th, 2016, 7:24pm


Action Lad wrote:
[quote author=jayg link=1480133024/15#24 date=1480724152][quote author=FlyingLaZBoy link=1480133024/15#21 date=1480308583] The VTX is strictly aluminum, without folding.


Paul, the VTX has a 7005 T6 aluminum boom and rear section and a 4130 chromoly steel cruciform, as does the Sprint X. There's a slip joint under the VTX's seat that allows the rear section to be removed from the cruciform.  
[/quote]Okay, Jay, I think you answered this last summer on the way into, or out of Braum's, but why in the whole world would they make the trikes of two different, and potentially tragically different, metals?   [smiley=shrug.gif]
[/quote]

I'm guessing that ICE uses 4130 for it's trikes' cruciforms, because fabrication is easier, and steel tubing provides a better ride than thicker and larger diameter aluminum tubing that would be required. Also, steel performs much better in fatigue than aluminum.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 5th, 2016, 11:09am


jayg wrote:
I'm guessing that ICE uses 4130 for it's trikes' cruciforms, because fabrication is easier, and steel tubing provides a better ride than thicker and larger diameter aluminum tubing that would be required. Also, steel performs much better in fatigue than aluminum.


I would assume the same - the cruciform handles most of the vertical stresses, so stronger and less brittle material is a good thing.. especially if one weighs 50% more than Jay!!!   ;)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by rmillay on Dec 5th, 2016, 8:52pm

Presumably, the problem with differential electromotive properties in different metals is supposed to be addressed with thorough paint coverage of the adjacent parts, possibly including a gasket (Jay?)  Any little breach in this protection, however, can start the corrosive chemical reactions that occur between unlike metals.  We cyclists may be too demanding of our hardware to prevent this.  We could ride our trikes gently, on sunny days, and wash them with damp cloths, but we still rely on good warranties like ICE's.  If Jay or Craig is not satisfied with this, some of us would be glad to take them, cheap!   [smiley=wink.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 5th, 2016, 9:16pm


rmillay wrote:
Presumably, the problem with differential electromotive properties in different metals is supposed to be addressed with thorough paint coverage of the adjacent parts, possibly including a gasket (Jay?)  Any little breach in this protection, however, can start the corrosive chemical reactions that occur between unlike metals.  We cyclists may be too demanding of our hardware to prevent this.  We could ride our trikes gently, on sunny days, and wash them with damp cloths, but we still rely on good warranties like ICE's.  If Jay or Craig is not satisfied with this, some of us would be glad to take them, cheap!   [smiley=wink.gif]


I taped the slip joint under the seat on both my and Craig's VTXs. The boom may or may not be separated from the frame by a thin plastic spacer. Just to make sure no water gets in the joints, I don't ride my trike in the rain or on wet pavement. The owner's manual doesn't address galvanic corrosion prevention, and I haven't found anything on the Internet about owners having experienced same, but I did hear second hand that Mike R in Denton (Bentvison) had to replace the aluminum rear section of his ICE Vortex, because it "corroded". If he's still participating in the Forum, maybe he can comment.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 6th, 2016, 8:50am

I've sent an inquiry to Patrick Selwood at ICE, for his comments...  and even suggested possible maintenance checks.

Paul


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 6th, 2016, 12:21pm

Asked, and answered!!!
Paul

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Hi Paul,

The aluminium back end of all of the trikes is always protected, in the case of the VTX by a tough powder coat paint finish and in the case of the Sprint, Adventure and other trikes by an anodised finish. There is also a plastic shim in there which stops direct contact between the two materials even in the case that the finish is damaged. We have been producing trikes with steel cruciforms for about 20 years and trikes with steel cruciform and aluminium back ends and booms for over 6 years and we do not see the issues that the forum members are worrying about. The benefits of the different properties of the materials outweigh any potential issues with corrosion which might occur because of the dissimilar metals.

If you wanted to pull out the back end and boom and treat the inside of the main frame with a product like framesaver occasionally it certainly wouldn’t hurt but I wouldn’t say it is vital unless you regularly ride in salty or other corrosive conditions.


Thanks,

Patrick

Patrick Selwood,
Inspired Cycle Engineering
Unit 15
Tregoniggie Industrial Estate
Falmouth, Cornwall
TR11 4SN

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by MrWizard on Dec 6th, 2016, 12:25pm

IMO in this situation , Framesaver should be a requirement.  




FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Asked, and answered!!!
Paul


 
....If you wanted to pull out the back end and boom and treat the inside of the main frame with a product like framesaver occasionally it certainly wouldn’t hurt but I wouldn’t say it is vital unless you regularly ride in salty or other corrosive conditions.



Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Dec 6th, 2016, 12:35pm


rmillay wrote:
If Jay or Craig is not satisfied with this, some of us would be glad to take them, cheap!   [smiley=wink.gif]
We'd only be taking them off their hands because we care so much for them....Jay and Craig, that is.   [smiley=engel017.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 6th, 2016, 5:47pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Asked, and answered!!!
Paul

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Hi Paul,

The aluminium back end of all of the trikes is always protected, in the case of the VTX by a tough powder coat paint finish and in the case of the Sprint, Adventure and other trikes by an anodised finish. There is also a plastic shim in there which stops direct contact between the two materials even in the case that the finish is damaged. We have been producing trikes with steel cruciforms for about 20 years and trikes with steel cruciform and aluminium back ends and booms for over 6 years and we do not see the issues that the forum members are worrying about. The benefits of the different properties of the materials outweigh any potential issues with corrosion which might occur because of the dissimilar metals.

If you wanted to pull out the back end and boom and treat the inside of the main frame with a product like framesaver occasionally it certainly wouldn’t hurt but I wouldn’t say it is vital unless you regularly ride in salty or other corrosive conditions.


Thanks,

Patrick

Patrick Selwood,
Inspired Cycle Engineering
Unit 15
Tregoniggie Industrial Estate
Falmouth, Cornwall
TR11 4SN



Thanks, Paul. Double protection (Powder coat or anodizing and plastic shim), so galvanic corrosion is a non-issue, unless the rear section is removed from the cruciform frequently, causing finish and shim damage. Then, application of Framesaver, particularly in a wet area where road salt is present, would be a good idea.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by kenbent6 on Dec 7th, 2016, 3:00pm

This means J can start riding his new trike. YYEEEAAA!!!! [smiley=pepper.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 7th, 2016, 4:56pm


kenbent6 wrote:
This means J can start riding his new trike. YYEEEAAA!!!! [smiley=pepper.gif]


Now's the time to give yourself a Sprint X trike for Christmas. Was at John's Trikes and Bikes this afternoon, buying some accessories. Patti informed me they currently have one that's waiting to be assembled. If you want to spend a little less money, they have an example of Catrike's latest offering, the Dumont, in a display on the floor. You know you want a suspended, folding trike of your own.  :D

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by JimFPU on Dec 7th, 2016, 5:56pm

So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 7th, 2016, 6:38pm


JimFPU wrote:
So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...


Add another trike to the list - I'm currently assembling a 700 in my kitchen for a Forum member.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by MrWizard on Dec 8th, 2016, 3:53am

Ooh ooh   do tell, who did we convert?


jayg wrote:
[quote author=JimFPU link=1480133024/30#38 date=1481154971]So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...


Add another trike to the list - I'm currently assembling a 700 in my kitchen for a Forum member.
[/quote]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 8th, 2016, 12:24pm

Lynn is adding a performance trike to her stable.



MrWizard wrote:
Ooh ooh   do tell, who did we convert?

[quote author=jayg link=1480133024/30#39 date=1481157511][quote author=JimFPU link=1480133024/30#38 date=1481154971]So Key has been preaching the Gospel of Trike all these years, and since Paul converted, now everyone has to join in? Well that's OK I guess...I have 6 trikes, if you count the velo. It does have only 3 wheels...


Add another trike to the list - I'm currently assembling a 700 in my kitchen for a Forum member.
[/quote]
[/quote]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 8th, 2016, 3:40pm

Lynn bought Rothgeb's 700...

The Sprint X at John's is a duplicate of mine, ordered at the same time.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Dec 8th, 2016, 9:54pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Lynn bought Rothgeb's 700...
Attagirl!  Now watch her fly.  Can't wait for next episode of The Performance Trike Effect.  This year saw Craig go from mild mannered Dr. Delta to the blistering ICE Monster.   [smiley=stirthepot.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 22nd, 2016, 2:42pm

Next "tweaking" phase on the SprintX -- I've changed out the "medium" front suspension elastomers for "hard" durometer ones, and will change from "soft and medium" rear elastomers to "medium and hard" durometer pieces, in an attempt to reduce power loss through suspension bounce -- while also trying to keep some suspension advantage in place, for city street navigating.

Front suspension changeout:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/susp1.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/susp1.jpg.html)

Rear suspension changeout:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/susp2.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/susp2.jpg.html)


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by jayg on Dec 22nd, 2016, 4:38pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Next "tweaking" phase on the SprintX -- I've changed out the "medium" front suspension elastomers for "hard" durometer ones, and will change from "soft and medium" rear elastomers to "medium and hard" durometer pieces, in an attempt to reduce power loss through suspension bounce -- while also trying to keep some suspension advantage in place, for city street navigating.

Front suspension changeout:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/susp1.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/susp1.jpg.html)

Rear suspension changeout:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/susp2.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/susp2.jpg.html)


The rear elastomers come in Christmas colors. Nice touch.  :D

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Dec 31st, 2016, 4:23pm

Increasing the elastomer hardness feels like it's made the trike a bit more responsive, yet without losing too much of the suspension cushion...  Riding at WRL the last few days of this week, I've been able to keep it in the 20mph range -- how much of that is me getting adapted to it, I don't know, of course.

However, I did the GDB Airport Ride today, for 40+ miles out and back, and was able to stay with the group at 18-20 the entire way, including cranking it up to about 27 mph on the pre-stop sprint...  so, while I had my concerns about keeping up, they were apparently unfounded.  I got several questions from other riders as to the overall weight of the trike, and they were rather shocked at the 40+ pound figure, based upon what they had seen me do...

Key was doing some filming on Thursday morning at WRL with Jay, and I happened to see them about 100 yards ahead of me -- and caught them, photobombing his video -- but this is a good visual comparison of the SprintX and the VTX.  thanks, Key!

https://youtu.be/5dkMpNL-ZlM

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by JimFPU on Jan 3rd, 2017, 11:28am

Key on two wheels, Paul on three...what is the world coming to?

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Jan 3rd, 2017, 8:54pm


JimFPU wrote:
Key on two wheels, Paul on three...what is the world coming to?
Circumstances made it necessary that day.  
I really like the bike.  Stupid fast.  I just can't throw it around the way the trike loves it.  Dump excessive watts into that drive wheel and it'll fishtail, (save the explosive starts for the drag racer); high speed turns are true acts of faith that there's nothing on the turn to make the wheels slide out from under you.  On a trike, it's called drifting, but I am still working out how to do it automobile style.  Perhaps, to suddenly turn, (just before hitting the thin patch of sand you've laid out for the purpose), and pedal like crazy to keep the momentum going.  Oh for some sponsorship!! [smiley=stirthepot.gif]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Jan 9th, 2017, 3:03pm

Drifting through a turn on two wheels is better known as "crashing"...  when that rear wheel slides out from underneath you, you're down in an instant -- gravity works!    [smiley=injured.gif]  You've also potentially trashed your rear derailleur, and shaved a few millimeters off the side of your seat.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Jan 10th, 2017, 12:10am


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Drifting through a turn on two wheels is better known as "crashing"...  when that rear wheel slides out from underneath you, you're down in an instant -- gravity works!    [smiley=injured.gif]  You've also potentially trashed your rear derailleur, and shaved a few millimeters off the side of your seat.
None of that, of course, on the trike.  Just take a corner as fast as you wanna go...until the inside wheel lifts, anyway, but it's fun to explore when that happens.  The most fun is when you get to show a roadie how a trike can get off the line:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaN-5Qwwvxw

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.  (sorry Paul.  :-[)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Jan 11th, 2017, 7:58am

First time taking the trike onto the White Rock Trail...  I had put the rear fender on for the first time, as a precaution, and used the 559 rear wheel with 1.3" Kojak.

* Started at 4:30 at Forest Lane / Schlotzky's, per the regular GDB ride start, planning to be back by 6PMish to join the GDB 6:30 group
* Successfully rode down the hill by the dumpster to get onto the trail, without dumping myself;
* Suspension definitely smoothed out the random cracks and bumps of the trail - especially the occasional harsh seam bump along the golf course and other locations - with no steering swerve noticed;
* Just past the tennis courts, noticed the fender rattling - stopped and had to tighten a couple of the bolts - they were trouble-free the rest of the night;
* Typical rolling speed down the trail was 18-19, when I wanted to;
* Did a CCW lap at the lake, passing a few riders along the way, and being passed by a couple as well -- briefly saw and waved to JohnnyBent after the Spillway climb, but neither of us stopped;
* Stopped briefly at the top of the lake to check the fender bolts, but all were still tight;  Had a 17 average at that point.
* Stopped in at Dallas Bikeworks, to purchase a spare 26 x 1.25 tube, after realizing that I had brought 700c spares by mistake(!)
* Typical rolling speed back up the trail was 15-16 mph;
* Successfully rode UP the small hill by the dumpster, at speed, to get back into the parking lot behind Mattito's/Schlotzky's, getting back at 6PM with 21 miles in;
* Put on warmer clothing and full gloves for the "night ride" version;
* Repeated the whole thing with the GDB group, but CW around the lake this time, for 42 miles total.

I'm pleased with the dampening effect of the suspension on the trail, even with the 'hard' elastomers I've got in place.  It was a good test.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Feb 15th, 2017, 5:51pm

Took La Machine in to John's for a 1,000-mile checkup...

* At my request, he was going to file a bit off the ends of the front seat receptacle half-tube -- the seatclamps wouldn't QUITE both go past the ends of the piece, at their max separation, and it always takes 15-30 seconds of fooling with it to get the seat set into the support.  Since I take the seat off every time I put it in the car, this needed to be addressed;

* No significant loosening of anything, and the spokes have held tight on all wheels;

* Cleaned drivetrain - I had lubed with T-9 three or four times.

* Front Durano tires are definitely showing wear -- wonder how long they'll go?

Solid machine, for sure.


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Feb 16th, 2017, 8:41am


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Took La Machine in to John's for a 1,000-mile checkup...

* At my request, he filed a bit off the ends of the front seat receptable half-tube -- the seatclamps wouldn't QUITE both go past the ends of the piece, at their max separation, and it always takes 15-30 seconds of fooling with it to get the seat set into the support.  Since I take the seat off every time I put it in the car, this needed to be addressed;

* No significant loosening of anything, and the spokes have held tight on all wheels;

* Cleaned drivetrain - I had lubed with T-9 three or four times.

* Front Durano tires are definitely showing wear -- wonder how long they'll go?

Solid machine, for sure.
Two questions:
What is it you like about T-9 Lubricant?  I'm always looking for the fifth essence in lubes.  :)  
Also, I'd love to know your final mileage from a front pair of Duranos.  I only get to ride with one on the rear.  Love the tire.  Thanks.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Feb 23rd, 2017, 12:50pm

Nothing really specific about the T-9 -- it was just recommended to me by John.  Still builds up black crap just like RockNRoll did when I used it.  Only one that didn't was White Lightning.

Took the Duranos off last night, and I'd be surprised if they make it to 2,000...

Paul


Action Lad wrote:
Two questions:
What is it you like about T-9 Lubricant?  I'm always looking for the fifth essence in lubes.  :)  
Also, I'd love to know your final mileage from a front pair of Duranos.  I only get to ride with one on the rear.  Love the tire.  Thanks.


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Feb 23rd, 2017, 12:53pm

Wound up NOT filing off the ends of the half-tube seat support.  Rhett reversed the direction of the seatclamps, and that seems to have created some additional clearance.  Still not perfect, but I think it's an improvement.


[* At my request, he was going to file a bit off the ends of the front seat receptacle half-tube -- the seatclamps wouldn't QUITE both go past the ends of the piece, at their max separation, and it always takes 15-30 seconds of fooling with it to get the seat set into the support.  Since I take the seat off every time I put it in the car, this needed to be addressed;]

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Feb 24th, 2017, 5:42am


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Took the Duranos off last night, and I'd be surprised if they make it to 2,000...

Paul
Then the grass is just about as green on that side.  If I'm a good boy and don't take the bottom of the spillway like a formula 1, I'll get 1,700 miles or more out of a pair of Kojaks.   But what's the fun in that?

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Feb 24th, 2017, 12:14pm

Took the trike on the GDB Downtown night ride last night, 30 miles from NDallas through downtown and back.  I used Kojaks all around, 1.3" 559 on the back, and 1.3" 406 on the front.

I must say, the suspension does a MARVELOUS job at compensating for the random cracks and potholes one encounters riding at night on Dallas city streets... even McMillan Ave was tolerable (and if you've ever ridden down McMillan, you know what I'm talking about).  All in all, a very successful test, including speeding through downtown on Elm street at 25+ mph.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/DWNTWNROUTE.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/DWNTWNROUTE.jpg.html)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by MrWizard on Feb 24th, 2017, 8:02pm

Whats the story on this ride?  I'd probably join up for it if its a regular ride and they are not using the trail .


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Took the trike on the GDB Downtown night ride last night, 30 miles from NDallas through downtown and back.  I used Kojaks all around, 1.3" 559 on the back, and 1.3" 406 on the front.


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Feb 27th, 2017, 9:40am

It's every Thursday night, year-round, 6:30 rollout from Schlotzky's across from Medical City.  Lights required.  Rolling pace around 16MPH, no drop.  Typically 6-10 people.  Some rough streets, especially downtown.  We do 1-1/2 loops of downtown, going through Deep Ellum, and dodging busses on Elm street going west, but the downhill and traffic light synchronization mean that we do Elm at ~25 mph.   One break, at AA center, for bathroom use at the bar on the corner.  Typically back to the parking lot by 9:15.

I'd suggest a trike, not a velo, due to occasional climbing.

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by Action Lad on Feb 27th, 2017, 10:09am

Sounds like fun.   :)

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by MrWizard on Feb 27th, 2017, 11:24am

Thats the ride that used to use WRT all the time --  IF they are staying off the trail, I'm in.


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
It's every Thursday night, year-round, 6:30 rollout from Schlotzky's across from Medical City.  Lights required.  Rolling pace around 16MPH, no drop.  Typically 6-10 people.  Some rough streets, especially downtown.  We do 1-1/2 loops of downtown, going through Deep Ellum, and dodging busses on Elm street going west, but the downhill and traffic light synchronization mean that we do Elm at ~25 mph.   One break, at AA center, for bathroom use at the bar on the corner.  Typically back to the parking lot by 9:15.

I'd suggest a trike, not a velo, due to occasional climbing.


Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Feb 27th, 2017, 3:35pm

Yes, the downtown ride doesn't use the WRTrail, only the Tuesday night ride.  Unfortunately, some of the streets are a bit rougher!

Title: Re: ICE 700c Sprint X fs
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 6th, 2017, 7:27am

darn, it's hard to keep a trike above 20mph...   :D  even with a full disc rear wheel.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae256/pbrown8js/Trikefinish.jpg (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/pbrown8js/media/Trikefinish.jpg.html)

My lap time splits for the 40K:

14:32 - 20.7mph (thanks, Joe!)    ;)
15:25 - 19.5mph
15:46 - 19.0mph
16:41 - 18.0mph
15:23 - 19.5mph

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