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What I lost moving from the Hill Country
Apr 14th, 2014, 9:32pm
 
Thought I'd pass this little bit of info along. I grew up in central Tx and lived nw of San Antonio for over 20 years. Much of that time I lived on well water that rated a 34 on the natl hardness scale of 0-10. Had to filter the sediment out but was excellent water with plenty of calcium and magnesium, both of which are required for muscles to work properly. Calcium is required for muscles to contract and magnesium for them to relax. The calcium part I knew about but I didn't know at the importance of magnesium. When we moved to Fl, I (recently) found that both calcium and magnesium are pretty much filtered out of the city water supply. About 9 months after we moved, I started dropping power. I thought it was just due to age, then last year it abruptly plummeted. I have always been very, very flexible yet I was suddenly almost rigid. Nothing I did improved the issues or power and it just kept getting worse.
 
This year's Sebring was the worst performance I have ever done there and I reaiized there was something really wrong with me, not just age related. So I started reading and talking and studying. Discovered the importance of magnesium and how cyclists are particularly susceptible to magnesium-depletion. The symptoms of magnesium deficiency mapped exactly to my symptoms and vice versa. So I searched more about how to solve the problem and started in with the solution. Took me a few weeks to find what started working for me but it did. Almost immediately I felt more relaxed. The knots in my muscles started relaxing and I was finally able to start breaking things up and gaining more flexibility and power. Did a couple of time trials the past few weeks were it was clear I was coming back. Sunday a week ago I did the 168-mile Cross-Fl ride and was beat only by Hannon-the-Cannon in his Milan racing velo by only about 15 minutes. We traded for first all the way until the last ~25 miles into a hard headwind and I watched him motor off. Primarily because I mis-mixed my fuel (I realized later) and ran low on protein after about 6 hours. Yesterday I did the annual 61-mile Spring Classic which has a lot of the really fast locals show up for a hammer-down ride in pretty windy conditions. Last year I pulled about 45 miles of the ride but was struggling quite a bit towards the end. This year I started out a bit weak still from X-Fl but after 20 miles things loosened up and I just kept getting faster, stronger and more comfortable as the ride progressed. At the 45 mile mark the fast guys (only 6 left at this point) finally asked me to bring it down a notch and several times after that I had to soft-pedal to let them recover and hook back up. My average power was basically the same as all but the two guys who spent the most time on my wheel. Past the first 20 miles I was averaging about 250 watts except when I had to roll it back so they could stay on and won all of the bridge sprints hands down.
 
I'm evidently coming back. Is good to not feel so old and weak again. So if you are having trouble making power because you muscles aren't fully releasing and can't get them to stretch out as they used to, maybe check into adding magnesium to your diet.  BTW, as I have heard from a number of sources, adding more magnesium has managed to curb my sweet tooth. Spiced food (without sugar) tastes so much better than before so have drastically cut down my sugar intake.
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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2014, 12:22pm
 
Excellent info, Kent!!!!
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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2014, 6:11pm
 
Funny thing. Before I discovered the cause of my power loss I had discussed it with a number of older local riders and they didn't say anything. Afterwards, I mentioned my solutions and most of them said "Yes, I've been doing that for several years!"  Evidently too much competition around here. They don't want to give up their tricks. :^)
 
If you spend a lot of time on a bike, you might discover that you can't ingest enough to keep up with what you are sweating out. In that case you might want to apply it externally also. There dosen't appear to be a big health hazard to taking a fair amount orally though it is somewhat self-limiting as your body will tell you very quickly when you are taking too much.
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2014, 8:36pm
 
I thought the worst thing was losing your best riding buddy!
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2014, 8:51pm
 
I didn't lose her, She moved out here when I did...
 
Oh, wait. You mean my grumpiest ridin' buddy?
 
I'm still waiting for him to come out and help me drag the tri guys around at 32mph in his fancy new M5 RailGun. I pulled a 30mph 5k TT and a 28mph 10k TT recently in mine. I'm expecting him to be riding my wheel.  But he better not wait too long, I have a new guy working his way up to staying on my wheel. He's doing better every race.
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Reply #5 - Apr 16th, 2014, 6:57am
 
Bone density loss is a real problem in long-distance (and professional) cycling, related to "sweating it out"...  it's one reason there are so many broken collarbones, etc. in crashes.  Neighbor Daniel (SquareCorners) recently discovered his bone density is very low, and is doing some medical treatments to try to correct it -- and is getting away from really long endurance cycling rides.
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Reply #6 - Apr 16th, 2014, 8:18am
 
Yes. Bone density and magnesium... I didn't want to bring too much into this discussion but thanks for mentioning this.
 
One of the main supplements I use is made by Calm (there in Austin on Shoal Creek).  You can get just magnesium powder or with added calcium. We tend to get a lot more calcium in our diet and there is evidence that too much calcium is bad for both magnesium intake as well as bone density, whereas magnesium is good for increasing bone density. as this article suggests. It also touches on the topic I hinted at regarding sugar vs. magnesium.  
 
We used to get much of our magnesium from green vegetables but it appears that in many farms the magnesium has been mostly leached from the soil and is not replentished so we don't get nearly as much as we did say 50 years ago.
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Reply #7 - Apr 16th, 2014, 10:25am
 
The same is true of micronutrients, also (molybdenum, manganese, vanadium, etc.).  There may be more of those in your garden than in the fields in the California valley.  But, truthfully, many of us don't eat the amount of fruits and veggies we should, and rely on supplements too much.  I know I do.
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Jay was asking about safe dosages of calcium and magnesium.  As Kent implied, too much magnesium will tell fairly quickly.  It's whats in that stuff some of us used to drink before getting a colonoscopy (now a different chemical is used).  Milk of magnesia is a useful laxative, as well as for other home remedies.  It's now in Rolaids, which some riders carry for cramp relief.  It's in Hammer Endurolytes, too.  The RDA is about half a gram.  My supplement gives me a third of that.  Us distance riders should probably get a bit more.
 
I probably get enough calcium from milk and meat for my use, but people who don't like meat and milk have to pay more attention to intake.  Vitamin D is also needed to utilize calcium properly; a modest intake of vitamin D and regular exposure of your skin to a few minutes of sunlight should take care of that.  What does too much calcium do?  That is, what does too much calcium circulating in your blood do, as we want plenty of it in our bones.  Our bones act as a reservoir for calcium, so that when we don't absorb enough, the body takes it out of the bones--that's one cause of osteopenia and osteoporosis.  Calcium is important in maintaining electrolyte balance balance inside and outside the cells, and, with magnesium, in efficient transfer of electric signals in the nerves, hence Kent's problems.  Excess calcium doesn't collect on the walls of your blood vessels, like lime in your water pipes, but it may collect in arterial plaque, along with cholesterol, contributing to the loss of elasticity of the arteries.  It may also collect damaged spots in muscles and connective tissue, causing bone spurs, bursitis, heart valve leakage, and other problems.  So, yeah, keeping a consistent but moderate intake of your minerals is important for all of us.
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Reply #8 - Apr 16th, 2014, 11:23am
 
Lol.  I'm going to try and put it together this weekend.  I finally have a Sunday free.  I've got a waiting list of purple wanting a ride already.  Unfortunately, until I finish getting this weight off that all these meds made me put on, sprinting to 30 is all I've got.
 
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didn't lose her, She moved out here when I did...

Oh, wait. You mean my grumpiest ridin' buddy?

I'm still waiting for him to come out and help me drag the tri guys around at 32mph in his fancy new M5 RailGun. I pulled a 30mph 5k TT and a 28mph 10k TT recently in mine. I'm expecting him to be riding my wheel.  But he better not wait too long, I have a new guy working his way up to staying on my wheel. He's doing better every race.

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Reply #9 - Apr 16th, 2014, 4:31pm
 
Quote from aikigreg on Apr 16th, 2014, 11:23am:
sprinting to 30 is all I've got.
Uphill??? I've been cresting the John's Pass drawbridge at 30mph/800+watts lately... We could work on that.
 
I'm making a new seat with the new M5 frame mold assy for me so I can sell my current M5 RailGun seat to Jim D., who was T-boned on his M5 during Sebring this year. He just got his new frame and the bike back together. I have about 25 years on him so when he gets up to full power on the new seat I might not be able to outrun him anymore. He's really strong and if he can get everything worked out we are planning on going after some 2-man team records. We've been doing the 31 mile road part of the Lakeland Trail2Trail races the past two years and I've beat him both times but I likely will have to ramp it up to beat him this year! :^)
 
Also need to work on getting my power up again to try to hold off Hannon in his Milan somehow. Thing is a guided missle and I will likely have to outcrank him by more than 100 watts to pull it off so I'll really be testing my magnesium supplements this year, but so far it's really been working.
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Reply #10 - Apr 16th, 2014, 5:59pm
 
I keep trying to talk to him about his m5 build.  I need someone to dull and cable my bike like he has done.  Of course, speeds previously mentioned were on the carbent.  I should be faster on the m5
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Reply #11 - Apr 16th, 2014, 6:08pm
 
The M5 is certainly faster even under low power but it's a lot fast under more power and climbs significantly faster under power. I haven't ridden anything yet that does as well, and mounting the RailGun rib onto the M5 frame noticably improved climbing on top of what it already did. Unfortunately your RailGun seat doesn't do that so you just get "normally" fast. :^(
 
So when will you get back to doing a 40k 240W avg power again like you did at TSTT that time? I still remember the look on your face when you saw that.
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Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2014, 7:24pm
 
About 50 pounds from now.  Smiley  what I remember most is the tunnel vision, and how everything went dark those last few minutes.  All I could see wad your back wheel.
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 16th, 2014, 10:51pm
 
Fortunately for you I've installed a little marker in the center of my tailbox for you to aim at now so you won't have to watch my wheel. It's there so the roadies know where to stick their noses when trying to hang on. At least that what the fast ones tell me they do. I just know when I hear them starting to wheeze it's time to bring it down a notch.
 
Though you will need to get your range bearings first. Last Saturday Billy (CA2) forgot my rear wheel extends a ways back past the tailbox and got his wheel hung up in mine when the tunnel vision started. He's a big guy and it really got my attention when he yanked my wheel almost out from under me. I was waiting for the crash but luckily there was no curb there and he ran off in the grass and didn't go down. Fabulous save.
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Reply #14 - Apr 17th, 2014, 7:18am
 
Quote from goatstick on Apr 16th, 2014, 10:51pm:
I was waiting for the crash but luckily there was no curb there and he ran off in the grass and didn't go down. Fabulous save.

 
Had a DF rider do that on Tuesday, when another clipped wheels -- he went off the side into the grass, falling on his right side...   when he got up, he discovered the smashed banana in his rear pocket!!!!   Grin
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