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Re: Browser Add-On?
Reply #15 - Oct 19th, 2007, 11:32am
 
Quote from Richard on Oct 19th, 2007, 10:12am:
I downloaded FireFox and it fixed the forum problems. I am fairly impressed with it too.

 
FireFox has gotten popular enough that hackers are starting to target it, too. But, it's a lot less prone to that stuff than Internet Explorer. That's just one of those things we internet geeks have to watch for, these days.
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Reply #16 - Oct 19th, 2007, 6:36pm
 
You could always retreat to Safari 3.0 for Windows. Or Opera. Anything that doesn't require me to spend more time hacking the broken IE box model than actually designing the page layout and graphics.
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Reply #17 - Oct 28th, 2007, 5:39pm
 
I have a new wrinkle to add. As of this morning, when I booted up the laptop and automatically received the latest Symantec virus signatures, I get a warning like the following. It happens as soon as I open the forum's main page or an individual posting.
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Reply #18 - Oct 30th, 2007, 8:40am
 
The last few days I've been getting a warning similar to Foo's.  Happens pretty much anytime I open the website or click on a different page.  Our Symantec virus program calls something named "downloader" a "risk."
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Reply #19 - Oct 30th, 2007, 11:32am
 
Ditto.....
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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2007, 5:07pm
 
Symantec anti-virus seems to be the common thread here. I get the same behavior on my work machine and on my laptop, both of which are running Symantec. My home desktop machine, which runs ZoneAlarm anti-virus has no complaints.
 
The warnings started upon installation of the 10/29 virus signatures update, but the information at the Symantec web site indicates that the Download virus was discovered and dealt with 'way back in 2001. This leads me to suspect that Symantec may be falsely auto-detecting something that's loaded into the browser cache when hitting the RBENT forum.
 
Since you never get to see a file name (only some obfuscated cache data path), it's hard to guess what Symantec might be kvetching about.
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Reply #21 - Oct 31st, 2007, 7:10pm
 
Quote from FooRider on Oct 31st, 2007, 5:07pm:
This leads me to suspect that Symantec may be falsely auto-detecting something that's loaded into the browser cache when hitting the RBENT forum.

 
Bingo. That's Symantec's (Norton's - it's all the same) specialty: falsely reporting viruses. But they are so big, it will probably be YABB (our forum software) who makes a change on the next version so that Symantec won't report a virus.
 
It's Symantec's email thing that really drives me crazy. The vast majority of viruses (and falsely reported ones) are sent in email. Symantec sends a reply to every return email address for every email virus it reports. Well, guess what? Virus authors don't use their own email address as a return address (big surprise there, huh). They spoof other return addresses (you can put any return address you like when you send email). My main email address has been sitting on my website since 1996, so it is a favorite address for virus authors to spoof. Whenever there really is a new virus going around by email, I get hundreds or even thousands of emails a day, most of them generated and sent by Symantec. The overloaded email servers that Symantec causes always end up doing more damage across the internet than the actual virus did.
 
So, don't get me started on Symantec. When I first booted my new laptop a few weeks ago, it took me less than three minutes to get Symantec, which had come with it, uninstalled. IMHO, the two worst major software programs in the world are (1) Norton Anti Virus and (1A) Microsoft Internet Explorer. I strongly recommend against using either.
 
Ok, I feel better. I try not to rant too often on this forum, but I guess that counts as one.
 
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Reply #22 - Nov 1st, 2007, 8:53am
 
Lets see... the soltion to the problem is worse than the problem? undecided Symantec must be a branch of the gubment . Shocked
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Reply #23 - Nov 1st, 2007, 7:01pm
 
Maybe, but I did a bit of Googling around today and found that others have experienced similar problems with web pages:
 
http://www.castlecops.com/t160127-Downloader_Virus.html
 
I don't know how someone could have hacked into Perl-generated pages, but it might be worth Bud taking a look.
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Reply #24 - Nov 1st, 2007, 10:12pm
 
Quote from FooRider on Nov 1st, 2007, 7:01pm:
Maybe, but I did a bit of Googling around today and found that others have experienced similar problems with web pages:

http://www.castlecops.com/t160127-Downloader_Virus.html

I don't know how someone could have hacked into Perl-generated pages, but it might be worth Bud taking a look.

 
I'd already checked the source code from rbent pages, and found nothing. Today, I used the virus scanner on the site, and found the reason for the virus warnings. I have files on the site which are, get this, downloaders. That is, they are just short executable programs which do nothing except download and run the larger main setup programs for my software. The files are fine; I checked them again. They are not viruses, but I guess this is the same technique that virus downloaders use, so virus programs don't like it. The strange thing is that these files are located in folders completely away from rbent, and nothing in rbent accesses anything in these folders. I guess Norton checks the entire site now. That must be the change with the new version. The funny part is, if I paid a few thousand dollars to get these files properly "signed", I'm sure they wouldn't get this virus message. It's all a racket.
 
We really would be better off with rbent on a site dedicated just to it. Someone tell me again why we can't get rbent.org. I already need to redo my setup programs (they don't work with Vista, of course; Microsoft makes sure everything get obsolete quickly), but I just don't have much time for my software these days, and it no longer justifies a lot of work spent on it, so I'm not sure when I'll get around to updating the setup programs.
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Reply #25 - Nov 1st, 2007, 10:20pm
 
Now that I think about it, maybe it's time to move rbent to its own domain. A domain and hosting is pretty cheap. Surely, between all of us, we could raise enough money to pay for a domain and hosting. I could make the default files in the rbent folder on this site redirect to the new site, so everyone's old bookmarks would still work. What domain should we get? rbent.us? rbent.info?
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Reply #26 - Nov 2nd, 2007, 6:32am
 
As much work as I've done with web stuff, there are still holes in my knowledge. That said, I'm having a difficult time imagining how my local AV client would be detecting downloaders you have located outside the forum software's resource path(s). In fact, what I'm seeing when Symantec throws its hissy fit is that it's detecting on something that has been downloaded to the browser cache—and I'm not talking about anything malicious, here. Downloading HTML, images, etc. is (of course) just what browsers do.
 
I can certainly understand why you'd want to get the forum off your personal hosting, but I'm not confident that would alleviate the problem we're seeing.
 
By the way, rbent.org may not be available (see my PM), but RBENTONLINE.ORG is. Seems to me there's a symmetry there: when we're here, we're RBENT Online. When we're riding together, we're RBENT On-road.  Tongue
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Reply #27 - Nov 2nd, 2007, 8:31am
 
I've sent you my email address. If there was something about YABB's code in the rbent folder causing the warnings, I would think there would be other YABB forums generating virus warnings, and I haven't found any evidence of that. We're using strictly the original YABB software; I've changed nothing except for adding the rbent logo.
 
rbentonline.org would work. I'm thinking that my hosting allows a second domain name on the same hosting account. I'll check into that. That might be an extremely cheap way to give rbent its own home.
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Reply #28 - Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:56am
 
You could be right. I don't know how other providers do it, but when you register a domain with GoDaddy, they provide a configuration option called "masked redirect" (or something like that). Essentially, this means that if you don't attach the domain to specific hosting but only tell it to redirect to a URL - say, http://spinnerbaker.com/rbent/ - the URL displayed in the address bar would "mask" so that it still read http://www.rbentonline.org.
 
On the other hand, if rbentonline.org were attached to your hosting, I think it simply becomes an alias for spinnerbaker.com and that you'd have to use http://rbentonline.org/rbent/ to get to the forum. So in a way, the redirect might be easier and make it look more like a stand-alone site.
 
As far as the virus thing, it looks like it might be the counter implementation that the AV is griping about. And, as I mentioned in my e-mail, it looks like the URL that's being built into the src attribute may not even be active, currently. Weird stuff.
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Reply #29 - Nov 2nd, 2007, 2:28pm
 
I'll chip in what I can towards RBENTOnline.com, or .org, or whatever........    Pain in the butt modern technology.....
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