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Carbent Seat Mount Failure
Apr 17th, 2013, 7:24pm
 
As I was transporting my Carbent high racer to the Lancaster Country Ride, last Saturday, I heard a cracking sound as I turned a corner and the rear of the bike slid about 15". I had the fork installed in a fork mount on the floor of my van and the front of the bike secured with a tie-down to keep the bike in an upright position. Inspected the bike at Lancaster and couldn't see any damage, so I went ahead and rode it 42 miles. Last Tuesday, I started riding it at WRL and noticed the seat was moving back and forth as I pedaled. Inspection revealed the carbon fiber seat mount was not attached to the carbon tube frame member. It's a glued joint (aircraft grade epoxy). After conferring with the manufacturer, Bent Up Cycles, determined that the carbon frame tube had delaminated. The bike is 6 months out of warranty, so I'm up the creek. I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars to send it to the manufacturer for a repair attempt and certainly not thousands for a new frame. Going to attempt to repair it myself with the epoxy the manufacturer originally used to attach the seat mount to the frame (Costs about $90) and hope the tube does not delaminate further. Guess I should have purchased a CA 2.0.   Sad
 
 

 
W-shaped seat mount detached from frame tube.
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Re: Carbent Seat Mount Failure
Reply #1 - Apr 17th, 2013, 7:46pm
 
Ouch!  That stinks.
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 17th, 2013, 7:48pm
 
You might consider reinforcing the glue joint with a metal strap screwed to the seat frame.  Titanium would be neat!  But aluminum should work.   Smiley
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Reply #3 - Apr 17th, 2013, 7:49pm
 
Quote from jayg on Apr 17th, 2013, 7:24pm:
As I was transporting my Carbent high racer to the Lancaster Country Ride, last Saturday, I heard a cracking sound as I turned a corner and the rear of the bike slid about 15". I had the fork installed in a fork mount on the floor of my van and the front of the bike secured with a tie-down to keep the bike in an upright position. Inspected the bike at Lancaster and couldn't see any damage, so I went ahead and rode it 42 miles. Last Tuesday, I started riding it at WRL and noticed the seat was moving back and forth as I pedaled. Inspection revealed the carbon fiber seat mount was not attached to the carbon tube frame member. It's a glued joint (aircraft grade epoxy). After conferring with the manufacturer, Bent Up Cycles, determined that the carbon frame tube had delaminated. The bike is 6 months out of warranty, so I'm up the creek. I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars to send it to the manufacturer for a repair attempt and certainly not thousands for a new frame. Going to attempt to repair it myself with the epoxy the manufacturer originally used to attach the seat mount to the frame (Costs about $90) and hope the tube does not delaminate further. Guess I should have purchased a CA 2.0.   Sad


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W-shaped seat mount detached from frame tube.

Bummer, hate that it happened to you  Smiley
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Reply #4 - Apr 17th, 2013, 7:52pm
 
Quote from jayg on Apr 17th, 2013, 7:24pm:
As I was transporting my Carbent high racer to the Lancaster Country Ride, last Saturday, I heard a cracking sound as I turned a corner and the rear of the bike slid about 15". I had the fork installed in a fork mount on the floor of my van and the front of the bike secured with a tie-down to keep the bike in an upright position. Inspected the bike at Lancaster and couldn't see any damage, so I went ahead and rode it 42 miles. Last Tuesday, I started riding it at WRL and noticed the seat was moving back and forth as I pedaled. Inspection revealed the carbon fiber seat mount was not attached to the carbon tube frame member. It's a glued joint (aircraft grade epoxy). After conferring with the manufacturer, Bent Up Cycles, determined that the carbon frame tube had delaminated. The bike is 6 months out of warranty, so I'm up the creek. I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars to send it to the manufacturer for a repair attempt and certainly not thousands for a new frame. Going to attempt to repair it myself with the epoxy the manufacturer originally used to attach the seat mount to the frame (Costs about $90) and hope the tube does not delaminate further. Guess I should have purchased a CA 2.0.   Sad


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W-shaped seat mount detached from frame tube.

 
 
My money is on Jay completing  the repairs better than new...... Smiley Smiley Smiley
 
 
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 17th, 2013, 9:54pm
 
I think you should cut it up and send it back to you know who. Then tell them to keep it - you'd rather ride a Musashi anyway.  Then I'd cross post on BROL.  
 
6 months out of warranty is bs. I'm sure your bike has a lot fewer miles on it then others riding the same bike with a lot more weight and produce a lot more power. Heck you have so many bikes there is no way you could wear one out.
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Reply #6 - Apr 17th, 2013, 11:09pm
 
Seriously, Dana won't fix it?
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Reply #7 - Apr 18th, 2013, 8:13am
 
If you can't fix it contact Franz of Pterovelo in Oklahoma City.  he fixes carbon frames for people all the time around here and does amazing work reasonably.  holler if you need contact info.
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Reply #8 - Apr 18th, 2013, 9:51am
 
Well look at the bright side. You may need a new high racer. I hear the M5 is pretty nice.  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Apr 18th, 2013, 2:17pm
 
Oh, it is.  But it's really more of a lowracer - you just get the benefit of the bigger front wheel.  
 
Jay, did you talk to Dana directly?  I mean, mine is rock solid at 250 pounds and 4 years of solid use.  It's been on cross country trips, two different hill country races over texas chipseal, the race across Oregon, 2 or 3 tejas time trial races, and countless brevets.  No way a featherweight like you who doesn't ride it exclusively damaged that bike.
 
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Well look at the bright side. You may need a new high racer. I hear the M5 is pretty nice.  Smiley

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Reply #10 - Apr 18th, 2013, 4:04pm
 
Quote from aikigreg on Apr 18th, 2013, 2:17pm:
Oh, it is.  But it's really more of a lowracer - you just get the benefit of the bigger front wheel.  

Jay, did you talk to Dana directly?  I mean, mine is rock solid at 250 pounds and 4 years of solid use.  It's been on cross country trips, two different hill country races over texas chipseal, the race across Oregon, 2 or 3 tejas time trial races, and countless brevets.  No way a featherweight like you who doesn't ride it exclusively damaged that bike.

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Well look at the bright side. You may need a new high racer. I hear the M5 is pretty nice.  Smiley


 
Yes, I have talked to him personally and been in contact with him via E-mail. When I first talked to him, thought the problem was defective glue bond. Told him I wanted to repair it myself, because I have worked with epoxy, and I wanted to ride the bike at Muenster, week after next. He sent me info on the glue and some instructions. I looked at the mount this morning and confirmed that the frame tube had delaminated, rather than the mount glue bond failing. As a matter of fact, there is a loose layer of carbon fiber on the tube that is not embedded in the epoxy matrix. Because of my 145 pound weight, Dana still thinks the bike will be safe to ride, if I repair it myself. The other options are to ship the bike to California and have my frame repaired or have a new frame frame built, using salvageable components from the damaged frame. Dana would discount the prices. I don't want to spend big bucks, so will probably attempt to repair it myself. Think I'll beef up the mount-to-tube joint by applying aircraft grade epoxy and fiberglass on each side of the mount and run it down onto the tube. This type of seat mount failure has been reported on only one other Carbent.
 
Speaking of high racers, my 2008 Corsa was a great bike. Should have kept it, instead of entering the carbon bike world.
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Reply #11 - Apr 18th, 2013, 4:24pm
 
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Speaking of high racers, my 2008 Corsa was a great bike. Should have kept it, instead of entering the carbon bike world.

 
As I recall, You didn't like that bike either.
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Reply #12 - Apr 18th, 2013, 4:27pm
 
I'm VERY surprised that Dana isn't just straight-up taking care of it.  That's not very like him at all.  I had a similar experience when my carbon aero 1.0 exploded after I dropped the front wheel into the great, except the frame was completely toast.  That frame had serious defects from the start which were kept very hush hush by Bacchetta.  I'm very thankful for homeowner's insurance.
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Reply #13 - Apr 18th, 2013, 4:41pm
 
Quote from aikigreg on Apr 18th, 2013, 4:27pm:
I'm VERY surprised that Dana isn't just straight-up taking care of it.  That's not very like him at all.  I had a similar experience when my carbon aero 1.0 exploded after I dropped the front wheel into the great, except the frame was completely toast.  That frame had serious defects from the start which were kept very hush hush by Bacchetta.  I'm very thankful for homeowner's insurance.

 
He's considering it a "crashed" bike. Last Saturday, I transported the bike to Lancaster with the fork secured to a fork mount on the floor of my van and the front of the bike tied down to prevent tipping. When I turned a corner the bike's rear tire shifted to the side about 15", followed by a cracking sound. Apparently, that's when the majority of the failure occurred. After that, the seat mount must have been bonded to the tube on its perimeter, because I rode 42 miles at Lancaster with no indication of a problem (Glad it didn't give way on the one 37 mph downhill run I made). The mount totally failed when I started riding at WRL, last Tuesday.  
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Reply #14 - Apr 18th, 2013, 4:53pm
 
Quote from jcsadowski on Apr 18th, 2013, 4:24pm:
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Speaking of high racers, my 2008 Corsa was a great bike. Should have kept it, instead of entering the carbon bike world.


As I recall, You didn't like that bike either.

 
I didn't like the Euromesh seat, it killed my butt. It was a great bike after I replaced the Euromesh with a carbon seat. However, did have to stay away from mud, sand, and gravel, because it would go down in a flash.
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