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Dec 1st, 2007, 9:04pm
 
These rides have a way of turning into epic adventures, and this one was no exception. There were six riders on this permanent brevet. We started the ride in Princeton, at 7:00 am. I got to riding along, talking to Peggy, and the next time I looked around, there was no one else behind us. The crosswinds were already pretty gusty, even early, but we made decent time to the first control, and before we were ready to leave, the rest of the group arrived.  
 
At Ladonia (which is home to one of the friendliest Deputy Sheriffs I've ever met), we turned north, and had a good tailwind the rest of the way to Honey Grove, the turnaround point. Peggy said she wasn't feeling her strongest, and I had to admit I wasn't either, so we didn't really try to fly down the road while we had the tailwind. We just pedaled a comfortable pace.
 
At the Honey Grove control, John Droese pulled in just a few minutes behind us, saying he would keep his stop short, and wanted to join us. John is new to LSR, but is a strong rider. Before we left, the rest of the group arrived, so they were still just a short distance behind us. By then, the winds had to be blowing 30 mph, and the 12 miles straight south back to Ladonia were brutal. That stretch isn't hilly, but it's so open it really catches the wind.
 
After we left the next control at mile 95, it sprinkled lightly for a few minutes, but that was all. The 6.4 mile stretch from Lane to Merit is straight against the wind, with some tough hills, and that was one of the hardest stretches I've ridden in a while. My legs were toast by the time we turned west again.
 
With 15 miles to go, my rear derailler shifting cable broke. This instantly clunked the chain into the 11 tooth gear. This gives you a 3 speed bike, and you ain't going to like the gears you have. The 3 gears are high, higher, and highest. It had been progressively getting darker outside, and of course it chose this time to start sprinkling again. I don't know of a quick fix for this problem (if you do, this would be a good place to post it), so, knowing the skys could open up at any minute, I decided the best approach might be to keep going, doing my best to keep enough speed to get over the hills. I can tell you that I do not recommend trying to climb a tough hill at 9 mph with a 50 cadence, especially when your legs are already fried. By picking up my speed to try and keep going, I eventually lost sight of Peggy, and of course the minute I did, she broke down.
 
I knew I would eventually get stopped by a hill, so John said he would go back for Peggy. Sure enough, after walking my bike up a steep hill, John and Peggy showed up, and we spent a few minutes trying to do a fix to get me in a lower gear. John pulled the cable while I pedaled to get the bike into a lower gear, then we tied the cable. It did not work. As soon as I took off, it clicked into the 11 tooth gear again. I decided to keep going. I only had to walk one more hill, but I did struggle mightily on several. The 9 mph with a 50 cadence seemed to be my limit. If I fell below that, I had to stop. But, I sat right on the 50 cadence on several hills, my legs boiling in hot oil.
 
After my cable troubles started, I was so intent on just getting in that I neglected to keep drinking my carb drink, and I paid the price for that. As soon as I pulled in the parking lot, I bonked, and could hardly stand. A few minutes of sitting in my truck downing sugar made me feel much better (thanks for the Herseys chocolate, Peggy), but my legs were so fried, they looked like this:  
 

 
Well, maybe they didn't look like that, but they FELT that way. I ended up finishing in ~10 hours. Mileage was 125.6. On the bike time was 8:21, for a 15.0 average. Total climbing was 3958 feet. The wind made it feel like more.
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Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2007, 9:41pm
 
Hi Bud, a quick note on the derailleur if you don't want to change the cable, use the low set screw to select the single rear cog you'd like (probably not the 11 tooth!).  Great write up, and covered the conditions very well.  I was pretty slow on the new Tour Easy, but it acquitted itself well.  I'll definitely feel the use of some different muscle groups tomorrow (this being my 3rd ride, haven't had much adaption time yet.)  Our rear group of three took an altogether more leisurely pace, stopping in Wolfe City for a non-control break as well.  We finished up in about 11:25, so quite a bit behind you speed demons.  Peggy *Awesome* ride!!  The women of LSR are truly an impressive bunch!  Also thankyou so much for the rear bag, just the ticket for the Tour Easy rear rack!  I had a great time, and it doesn't seem like Ray and I can ride a permanent where there isn't some interesting weather related event, typically +20mph winds, rain, sleet, snow, or in special cases all of them. Fortunately despite the wind temperatures were very nice today, and the rain mostly held off which was a nice bonus!  Also the dogs behaved themselves pretty well for us 3 in the back, so another plus.  Look forward to seeing you guys again soon, and thanks for joining me!
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 1st, 2007, 10:09pm
 
Quote from Kwijybow on Dec 1st, 2007, 9:41pm:
Hi Bud, a quick note on the derailleur if you don't want to change the cable, use the low set screw to select the single rear cog you'd like (probably not the 11 tooth!).

 
Good fix idea, Nelson! That set screw probably doesn't have enough travel to get you too many teeth over, but even a few would help. A lot! I need to remember that....
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2007, 1:04am
 
That's a good suggestion, but the screw you want to be fiddling with is the high limit screw, turning it in will push the derailler down a couple of gears if yours is anything like most of mine (and since yours and most of mine are ShimaNo they are).
 
Where did the cable break? The two usual places are at the derailler and at the shifter. If it broke at the shifter then you're toast (or fried as your cholesterol count dictates), but breaking at the derailler means you have some options to reinstall the cable and use as many of the gears in the cassette as you can reach. From your description yours either broke at the shifter or one of the rare in the middle breaks. Not much you can do either way.
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2007, 6:53am
 
It broke somewhere near the shifter. I haven't disassembled it yet to see exactly where.
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2007, 11:36am
 
Yes,excellent report Bud. From a different perspective,I now know how we(cyclists) look during/after a Randonneur event to the convenience store employees & to the general public. When I pulled into the parking lot seconds after you,Peggy & John had finished,you all looked extremely beaten down(and rightfully so,that was a helluva effort in those windy conditions for 10 hours & mechanical issues).
 
Another "accomplishment ride",Bud! Congrats to all who finished. Peggy's bike has something rubbing in the rear derailer area. Time for a trip to PCF.
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2007, 1:21pm
 
Wow!  That was an ordeal!  I, on the other other hand, slept till noon.  Which was a good thing, since I feel much better now.  I didn't realize thgat I was still sick.  I wouldn't have amde it I don't think.
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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2007, 1:27pm
 
Hey Bud, Peggy,
 
  Congrats on making it through a tough one, also George informed me today he needs you to contact him, seems he needs the cards didn't get signed or have your address filled in.
 
He's at  
George Elizondo <gre099@gmail.com>
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2007, 1:52pm
 
Quote from aikigreg on Dec 2nd, 2007, 1:21pm:
Wow! That was an ordeal! I, on the other other hand, slept till noon. Which was a good thing, since I feel much better now. I didn't realize thgat I was still sick. I wouldn't have amde it I don't think.

 
Glad you're feeling better. I didn't even ride & I was up at 5:00am for taxi service.
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:35am
 
I had a new shifter cable at home, so my Corsa is once again a 27 speed bike. If we thought it was windy Saturday, it's a good thing we weren't riding Sunday!
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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 9:33am
 
BWAHAHAHahahaaaaaaaa...   The things we do for fun......!!!!!!   Roll Eyes Shocked
 
Very sorry about your mechanical issues, Bud!  That had to be hell trying to do those last climbs in "11"...
 
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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 12:54pm
 
"This bike goes to 11!"   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:09pm
 
Quote from Bud_Bent on Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:35am:
I had a new shifter cable at home, so my Corsa is once again a 27 speed bike. If we thought it was windy Saturday, it's a good thing we weren't riding Sunday!

 
 
Bud,we just got back from PCF,Peggy had bent 1 or 2 cogs on her cassette. So the SRAM cassette was replaced with a Shimano cassette(she went from mountain bike to road bike cassette). The cables,chain(no wear to speak of),& chain ring were all in good shape. Good as new.
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Reply #13 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:12pm
 
Quote from Strada177 on Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:09pm:

Bud,we just got back from PCF,Peggy had bent 1 or 2 cogs on her cassette. So the SRAM cassette was replaced with a Shimano cassette(she went from mountain bike to road bike cassette). The cables,chain(no wear to speak of),& chain ring were all in good shape. Good as new.

 
Glad you got it found and fixed. Is she going to have big enough climbing gears with that road cassette?  
 
On second thought, the way she climbs, it probably doesn't matter.
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Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:49pm
 
Lesson #196 Gear down sooner so as not to bend your cogs.I have so much to learn embarrassed.Nelson thanks for hosting the ride, Ray it was nice to see you again. I enjoyed meeting George and John, very nice guys.  
 
Nelson, I emailed George about my card I hope it is something I can fix. I would like the ride to count.  
 
 Bud thanks for riding with me on Saturday. I don't think I would want to ride one those long rides without  the support from the other riders.I can change a flat tire (kind of)  but that is about it when it comes to bike issues.
 
  Saturday, I was not feeling very strong .I hope I didn't hold you back too much. This was one o f the hardest rides I've done to date lips sealed.I felt that we battled the wind no matter which way we turned. I thought that the cross wind was almost as difficult as the head wind. I had one gust of wind that blew me off the road onto the shoulder.The wind took its toll on my legs I had nothing to give towards the end.Bud ,you are on tough rider I don't know how you were able to finish under those conditions.  
 
Steve and I had tickets to a hockey game at 7:30 pm on Saturday, We finished the ride at 5pm. Left the parking lot at 6pm, home by 6:30. Showered and at game by 7:15 no time to eat or rest. We were sitting with some friends and I hear laughing around me so I open my eye to see that everyone is laughing at me for sleeping through the game. Our team was loosing in the second period , Steve and our friends took pity on me , and we left the game early to get something to eat.What a day, What a great day!!!!!!  
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Reply #15 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 5:01pm
 
Quote from Bud_Bent on Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:12pm:
Quote from Strada177 on Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:09pm:

Bud,we just got back from PCF,Peggy had bent 1 or 2 cogs on her cassette. So the SRAM cassette was replaced with a Shimano cassette(she went from mountain bike to road bike cassette). The cables,chain(no wear to speak of),& chain ring were all in good shape. Good as new.


Glad you got it found and fixed. Is she going to have big enough climbing gears with that road cassette?

On second thought, the way she climbs, it probably doesn't matter.

 
 
Bud,according to the bike tech at PCF, she should be fine.  Grin
Grin. The only thing she would be giving up is 1 small "granny gear"  & as you know, the Petty's don't know how to use that "granny gear"(look where I'm at,I haven't ridden in a month. Do you think I will ever figure it out? I'm slow on the uptake sometimes). Spin? What the hell is that? Mash! Mash! Mash!
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Reply #16 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 6:30pm
 

 Peggy I'm certain it will be easy to fix, if it isn't already.  After all the route owner was on the ride with us, so we shouldn't have any issues.
Boy bending cogs!  Pretty sure I haven't ever had that problem!  What size cassette did you put on there.  After the 600K I came home and switched out the 12-28 that was on the Corsa stock for my MTB 11-34.  Had to switch the longer cage derailleur over as well.  That gave me a 34/34 low which is nice at the end of a long ride with a big climb like Cherry Pie Hill.  I got pretty lucky with the Tour Easy mechanically.  Found I had a splitting sidewall on the rear tire that was on there.  I had already ordered some replacements (Schwalbe Kojaks) but they probably won't be in for another week or so.  Tried a 700x38C old commuter tire I had in the garage to get to work this morning, but its really too wide with the fender, and by the trip home it was rubbing pretty badly.  I have a 700x28C that I guess I'll temporarily put on there tonight.  
 
Greg glad to see the 11 joke!  was thinking about that one earlier!
 
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Reply #17 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 6:50pm
 
Nelson, Peggy's new cassette is a 12-27 Shimano Ultegra.  I believe the stock Strada cassette is a SRAM 11-23. Which I was told is more of a mountain bike set-up. For those who don't know(like me),what's the difference between a road bike cassette & a mountain bike cassette? What would the adnvantages/disadvantages be between the two?
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Reply #18 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 7:08pm
 
Hi Steve,
 
  The only real difference besides cosmetics/marketing is the range.  MTB tends to be wider, whereas road cassettes tend to be more tightly spaced.  Sounds like you went in the right direction for randoneuring, never hurts to have a nice low gear.  
 
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Reply #19 - Dec 3rd, 2007, 9:48pm
 
Quote from Mrs Strada on Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:49pm:
What a day, What a great day!!!!!!
Peggy

 
Yes, it was a great day. Heading home, as soon as I turned my truck onto SH 380, I spotted a convenience store Subway, and I knew I had found my gourmet dinner. I took my sandwich and headed straight home, and by shortly after 10:00, I was a goner.
 
My legs were actually sore yesterday and today. That's the first time I've had that in a while. The slow cadence climbing probably had something to do with that. But, at least my knees feel fine. I stayed right beside Rose on today's ride, 17.0 miles at a 13.5 mph average, the kind of recovery ride I was in the mood for.
 
I think the challenge is part of the allure of these long rides. You just know they're going to be a grand adventure, and this one didn't disappoint! We survived, so we are stronger. If we just wanted exercise, we'd spend our time at the gym. For those who favor an outdoor adventure instead, these randonneuring rides are highly recommended.
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Reply #20 - Dec 4th, 2007, 9:31am
 
Wait a minnit... Peggy BENT CASSETTE COGS??????   Even I've never done that -- Good lord, somebody tell John Schlitter...   Grin
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Wait a minnit... Peggy BENT CASSETTE COGS?????? Even I've never done that -- Good lord, somebody tell John Schlitter... Grin

 
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Reply #22 - Dec 4th, 2007, 9:47pm
 
Peggy,
 
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Reply #23 - Dec 4th, 2007, 10:08pm
 
I *TOLD* you buttheads she was a monster MONTHS ago.  It's why I ranted and cajoled until she did the Tejas 500.  I recognized it the first time I rode with her.
 
Too bad they don't allow bents in the UCI - she'd be a CAT 1 or 2 rider easily.  peggy you've GOT to come do the horse country TT with me next May.
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Reply #24 - Dec 4th, 2007, 11:07pm
 
Thanks for all that  embarrassed[.I'm just learning how to ride and making mistakes along the way. No Wheaties for me banana sandwich on raisin bread.  
 Greg sound like a new challenge to me Grin. I'm willing to try it. Is it a speed event or endurance event? How do we train for it.  
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Reply #25 - Dec 5th, 2007, 5:57am
 
Remeber guys (sorry Steve), Mrs. Strada has already signed a letter of intent for next year's TTTT.  
 
I had a great time on this Perm.  I rode with Steve until I had to stop to water the weeds about 5 miles before the first control.  I then rode with Nelson and George the rest of the day.  Even though I agree it was very windy and challenging, my stats don't show it.  My average heart rate was something in the 115 range. I commented to my wife when I got home that I felt like I hadn't even ridden 200k.  This was the strongest physically I've felt after a 200k, even though it was a challenging route.  90% rollers; nothing steep or long, but constant.
 
Nelson, ride your Corsa on our next Perm or Brevt so we can do a sub 8 hour.  Keep the Kogswell hanging in your bedroom as a piece of 'defacto art'.
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Reply #26 - Dec 5th, 2007, 10:57am
 
Hi Ray,
 
  I'm not sure the engine is good for any turn of speed this month.
But I have the route I'm going to submit for those who want to set a best.
 
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Personel-Best-203K
 
Its going to be a reversible 203K permanent with controls at each end.  Mostly E-W.  There is a steady rise in elevation from the E-W, so I'm expecting the E-W will likely be the fastest direction (downhill on the way back, more likely to have slight tailwind).  I have the cue built.  Gotta do the card, and I'd like to submit it soon. There are stores along the way I'll note, but since its almost dead straight, I'm going to try to only have the 2 end point controls.
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 5th, 2007, 11:00am
 
Sorry W-E will be the fastest leg, but starting E-W to have the fastest leg second when you're more tired.
 
Hijacking my own thread by the way, for a discussion of the route.  Any feedback is appreciated.  Need to find out the Forestburg Country Store hours, and the Kwik Check in Van Alstyne (which is also a McDonald's I think).
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 5th, 2007, 11:54am
 
Quote from Kwijybow on Dec 5th, 2007, 11:00am:
Sorry W-E will be the fastest leg, but starting E-W to have the fastest leg second when you're more tired.

Hijacking my own thread by the way, for a discussion of the route. Any feedback is appreciated. Need to find out the Forestburg Country Store hours, and the Kwik Check in Van Alstyne (which is also a McDonald's I think).

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Reply #29 - Dec 5th, 2007, 12:34pm
 
Quote from bikerteam on Dec 5th, 2007, 5:57am:
Remeber guys (sorry Steve), Mrs. Strada has already signed a letter of intent for next year's TTTT.

I had a great time on this Perm. I rode with Steve until I had to stop to water the weeds about 5 miles before the first control. I then rode with Nelson and George the rest of the day. Even though I agree it was very windy and challenging, my stats don't show it. My average heart rate was something in the 115 range. I commented to my wife when I got home that I felt like I hadn't even ridden 200k. This was the strongest physically I've felt after a 200k, even though it was a challenging route. 90% rollers; nothing steep or long, but constant.

Nelson, ride your Corsa on our next Perm or Brevt so we can do a sub 8 hour. Keep the Kogswell hanging in your bedroom as a piece of 'defacto art'.

 
 
That's fine with me. As long as the Reclining flyer's will have me back,I look forward to seeing yourslef,Nelson,Peggy & (??), out on the TT course-42 hour event next year.
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Reply #30 - Dec 5th, 2007, 7:42pm
 
Just a quick note about cassettes, there are 2 versions of SRAM's 11-34 cassette, a road version that has most of its 9 cogs in the upper end (up to the 11 tooth cog) and has much bigger gaps in the lower end of the cassette. The MTB cassette has the gaps between the cogs even from the 11 all the way to the 34 tooth cog. I have heard on other fora that most 'bent pilots prefer the MTB version as we use the whole range all the time instead of the typical road rider using the cassette in combination with a compact crank to get triple range without having to carry the extra chainring and the less reliable triple front derailler (just paraphrasing what others have said, my triple derailler works just like my old double derailler).
 
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Reply #31 - Dec 5th, 2007, 9:02pm
 
Quote from Opus the Poet on Dec 5th, 2007, 7:42pm:
Just a quick note about cassettes, there are 2 versions of SRAM's 11-34 cassette, a road version that has most of its 9 cogs in the upper end (up to the 11 tooth cog) and has much bigger gaps in the lower end of the cassette. The MTB cassette has the gaps between the cogs even from the 11 all the way to the 34 tooth cog.

 
After believing that myself, the last bit of research I did seemed to disprove it. Cassettes that were 2006 or older had the bigger gaps in the big gears; 2007 cassettes were more evenly spaced.
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Reply #32 - Dec 6th, 2007, 4:17pm
 
Quote from Bud_Bent on Dec 5th, 2007, 9:02pm:
Quote from Opus the Poet on Dec 5th, 2007, 7:42pm:
Just a quick note about cassettes, there are 2 versions of SRAM's 11-34 cassette, a road version that has most of its 9 cogs in the upper end (up to the 11 tooth cog) and has much bigger gaps in the lower end of the cassette. The MTB cassette has the gaps between the cogs even from the 11 all the way to the 34 tooth cog.


After believing that myself, the last bit of research I did seemed to disprove it. Cassettes that were 2006 or older had the bigger gaps in the big gears; 2007 cassettes were more evenly spaced.

 
 
Good to know because I'm taking my Strada over to PCF tomorrow to have the cassette replaced(3,600+ miles) & have the cables checked,cranks changed(maybe??),etc...
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I actually liked the old setup better. Most of the gears were more similar to road cassettes, a small jump between gears, with just a couple of big gears which I would only use on big climbs. With the new cassettes, the more even spacing all the way to the big gears means there's a bigger jump between all the gears.
 
I tried ordering Sram PG970 cassettes in the old style online twice. Both times, I received the new style. Both the online store and ebay seller had 2006 photos showing, but actually sent me the 2007 cassettes.
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Reply #34 - Dec 7th, 2007, 6:44pm
 
Quote from Bud_Bent on Dec 6th, 2007, 8:20pm:
I actually liked the old setup better. Most of the gears were more similar to road cassettes, a small jump between gears, with just a couple of big gears which I would only use on big climbs. With the new cassettes, the more even spacing all the way to the big gears means there's a bigger jump between all the gears.

I tried ordering Sram PG970 cassettes in the old style online twice. Both times, I received the new style. Both the online store and ebay seller had 2006 photos showing, but actually sent me the 2007 cassettes.

 
I had a new cassette installed. PCF bike tech said there was some pretty good wear on the teeth(none bent like Peggy's. I could have gotten another 500 miles out of the current cassette,but since the bike was already there...). Bud,I did have a rear derailer cable that was corroded. New cable ,brake checked & cables lubed & everything is good. I too went with the Shimano Ultegra 12-27 cassette.
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I had a new cassette installed. PCF bike tech said there was some pretty good wear on the teeth(none bent like Peggy's. I could have gotten another 500 miles out of the current cassette,but since the bike was already there...). Bud,I did have a rear derailer cable that was corroded. New cable ,brake checked & cables lubed & everything is good. I too went with the Shimano Ultegra 12-27 cassette.

 
My cable broke on the shifter end, all the way up in the little metal piece that's on the end of the cable. I was going to ask Mark Metcalfe how often he replaces his cables, but I never saw him on the dam this week.
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The cable broke at the shifter end? Is that location for a cable break pretty unusual?
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The cable broke at the shifter end? Is that location for a cable break pretty unusual?

 
No, that's the end the pulling is being done on, and it's feeling all the friction all the way to the other end. The first cable housing at the shifter end of mine was tight on the end. A bit of prying in the end of the cable housing with a small allen wrench made the new cable slide easier. That tight spot probably sped up wear on the old cable.
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Reply #38 - Dec 7th, 2007, 9:33pm
 
It seems its always an end with mine, usually the end that broke on Bud's, near the shifter, but I've seen them break at the end near the crimp on the derailleur as well.  They are small so I always carry a spare now, just change them when they break (which isn't very often), need to pick up a spare brake cable though, as I stole my spare a while back for some project. I know about the derailleur set screw trick from having done it myself in the past (I didn't carry no spares in the eighties, that would've weighed me down!)  Funny how much I cared about bike weight when I myself weighed about a bike and half less than I do know!
 
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