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aikigreg

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tttt rule issues and thoughts.
Sep 8^th, 2007, 11:13pm

# 12 No personal support vehicles or crew on course. If caught receiving help from anyone but neutral support = DQ

I'm going to presume this means you can't be helped during a lap - is that how y'all read that?

# While riding at night, racers must have something reflective on their bikes and/or body, facing in all four directions. Nightriders must also wear a reflective vest and ankle bracelets. We suggest wrapping reflective tape around both crankarms, the forks, rear stays, and helmet. = P

I have a reflective vest. Think we'll need it, or do bents get an exemption out of that one?

We need to have a good first aid kit just in case...

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Re: tttt rule issues and thoughts.
Reply #1 - Sep 9^th, 2007, 1:04am

Quote from aikigreg on Sep 8^th, 2007, 11:13pm:

# 12 No personal support vehicles or crew on course. If caught receiving help from anyone but neutral support = DQ

I'm going to presume this means you can't be helped during a lap - is that how y'all read that?

# While riding at night, racers must have something reflective on their bikes and/or body, facing in all four directions. Nightriders must also wear a reflective vest and ankle bracelets. We suggest wrapping reflective tape around both crankarms, the forks, rear stays, and helmet. = P

I have a reflective vest. Think we'll need it, or do bents get an exemption out of that one?

We need to have a good first aid kit just in case...

Yes,that's how I interpret the rule. I think Bud was saying if you need mechanical assistance,a SAG vehicle will bring you back to the start/finish line & you loose your time for that lap.

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Reply #2 - Sep 9^th, 2007, 2:21pm

Greg,

Yes, you have to do your own repairs, walk/drag/carry the bike the rest of the way, or ride the sag vehicle back to the start of the lap. Once back at the start, you can get help, or another team member could take your lap.

Ray and Nelson can probably answer the reflective questions better than anyone else here. What kind of reflective stuff do y'all use in brevets?

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Opus the Poet Five Star Member rbent member Posts: 1353	Re: tttt rule issues and thoughts. Reply #3 - Sep 9^th, 2007, 3:04pm I have a reflective /blinky light vest one of y'all can borrow if needed. Somebody can pick it up when they come to take Bud's bender back to him. Opus
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Reply #4 - Sep 9^th, 2007, 6:08pm

Hi Guys,

yeah the reflective gear even though not so visible while you're riding is good for if you have to stop and are near the roadway. I have a RUSA reflective sash, and ankle bands I wear on me, and also stuff on my helmet. I have one of the triangles on the back of the brain bag, with various reflective tape I mounted for last years TTTT that might need some sprucing up. I know from night riding that no matter how good your liights are, its the reflective gear car drivers spot first. The possible exception is the little Dinotte tail light which is incredibly bright. Fortunately there wasn't a whole lot of traffic when I've been out on the TTTT course at night. But it is very dark out there. Last year there was a meteor shower in progress and during my 2 hrs of night riding I saw over 50! One benefit of being on a bent!

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Reply #5 - Sep 9^th, 2007, 9:49pm

[quote author=Kwijybow link=1189311224/0#4 date=1189379323]Hi Guys,

yeah the reflective gear even though not so visible while you're riding is good for if you have to stop and are near the roadway. I have a RUSA reflective sash, and ankle bands I wear on me, and also stuff on my helmet. I have one of the triangles on the back of the brain bag, with various reflective tape I mounted for last years TTTT that might need some sprucing up. I know from night riding that no matter how good your liights are, its the reflective gear car drivers spot first. The possible exception is the little Dinotte tail light which is incredibly bright. Fortunately there wasn't a whole lot of traffic when I've been out on the TTTT course at night. But it is very dark out there. Last year there was a meteor shower in progress and during my 2 hrs of night riding I saw over 50! One benefit of being on a bent!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Nelson,do we have to have reflective visits??? I have ankle bands & reflective helmet tape(and HID light). My big bag has a factory installed relective tape at the rear of the bag. Is that enough??

-Steve

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Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2007, 11:04pm

I'm pretty sure the vest or sash is required under the TTTT rules, I know it is for a RUSA brevet if it will have dark riding.
As far as other reflective stuff its pretty much up to what you feel comfortable with. I do notice that people who ride a lot at night (ie many of the randonneurs I've met with this year) have a lot of reflective gear, and even I use a lot more now than I used too. When you come up on somebody from behind the reflective stuff really pops compared to a little red blinky. I highly recommend one of the triangles, as that is more informative to a car than a horizontal band.

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Reply #7 - Sep 10^th, 2007, 8:33am

I have ankle and wrist bands, but I not a reflective sash. I guess I need to get one before TTTT time.

We just got a good reminder of how important the reflective stuff is at night: an Arlington cyclist was killed Saturday night when he was hit by a police car. He wasn't wearing a helmet, and had no reflective gear or rear light. Here's the story.

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Re: tttt rule issues and thoughts.
Reply #8 - Sep 10^th, 2007, 9:47am

It drives me crazy when I read about this kind of thing. It seems so unnecessary.

Just a few weeks ago, I was driving to an early-morning ride, in the dark, and nearly nailed a guy on a bike before I saw him. Not some poor schlub riding a Mongoose to his minimum-wage job, he was "flying the colors" and just pedaling along without so much as a blinky.

As it turned out, he was riding to the same starting point as I was. I recognized him from his jersey, took him aside, and explained that he scared the carp out of me because I hadn't seen him until it was nearly too late. I suggested some basic lights; he was noncommittal.

I am pleased to say that I do see a lot of the aforementioned commuters wearing those reflective vests like the highway workers use. If they're not going to use lights, the vests at least let me see them in time to avoid becoming a cyclist killer.

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