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Re: Making Garland safer to ride in
Reply #45 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 10:42am
 
Quote from goatstick on Oct 23rd, 2009, 9:22am:
What was the difference between Gainsville's bike lanes and a wide shoulder?  Signs and markings stating it was a bike lane. Oh, and debris. Where there were no bike lane markings, the shoulder was free of debris and obstructions.

 
Is there something other then the sign that is different on the roads? Curb vs no curb or speed of travel. I'm just curiouse since I find the shoulders in my commute are littered with debris even more so than the bike paths. (The closest bike lane I know of is in fort worth connecting two bike paths which if I remember correctly was free of debris) I wonder if people trading commutes or rides for an extended period might change their opinion?
 
I do understand the invisible wall thing but most often I hear it from the opposite angle. Cyclists think the white lane all of a sudden means they don't need to pay any attention to drivers and find themselves cut off at intersections by inattentive drivers turning into or out of the road way. A rider having to dodge debris or potholes could definately be an issue for drivers not paying any attention.  
 
 
 
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Re: Making Garland safer to ride in
Reply #46 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 11:56am
 
Quote from goatstick on Oct 23rd, 2009, 9:22am:
Where there were no bike lane markings, the shoulder was free of debris and obstructions.

 
If that's so, it's the only shoulder I know of that's free of debris. The stretch of the SH360 shoulder that I rode regularly in Arlington still stands as the place where I've gotten more flats than all of the other places I've ridden, combined. Glass was bad, but steel tire bits were the worst culprit, and you only get a lot of that in places with a lot of traffic from trucks that have enough wheels to keep on going after one tire is dead and shredding steel bits onto the road. That describes a typical highway shoulder.
 
I do agree that a wide shoulder is better than a bike lane next to a curb. But either one needs to be swept every so often, to clear debris.  
 
Quote from evblazer on Oct 23rd, 2009, 10:42am:
I'm just curiouse since I find the shoulders in my commute are littered with debris even more so than the bike paths.

 
The bike lane on Calender Road in Arlington is just as full of debris as the SH360 shoulder, but it's missing the steel tire bits, so you don't flat on it as much. Bike lane, or shoulder, either one will fill with debris if it's not swept. Bike paths usually don't have the concentration of debris that shoulders or bike lanes do. It's the cars running over all the debris that eventually knocks all of it onto the shoulder or bike lane.
 
The biggest problem that I have with just more lanes, as opposed to a shoulder, is that you always have high speed drivers in the middle lane, changing to the right lane blindly from behind another car, and if there's a slow bike in that right lane at that instant, he's a goner. Observing those kind of lane changes is what made me decide to only use Crowley Road on my commute for as far as it has shoulders, and turn onto something else where it just becomes all lanes with no shoulders.
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Reply #47 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:54pm
 
Debris was always the reason i liked the Wide Outer Lane (WOL) concept that I see alot of info at
http://www.bicyclinglife.com/EffectiveAdvocacy/blvswol.htm and most of the main roads in Connecticut that I traveled on had.
"since there is no stripe to keep motorists away from curbside in the absence of bicyclists, the sweeping action of motor vehicles clears debris from WOLs continuously, pushing it closer to the edge and out of bicyclists' way"
 
Quote from Bud_Bent on Oct 23rd, 2009, 11:56am:
The biggest problem that I have with just more lanes, as opposed to a shoulder, is that you always have high speed drivers in the middle lane, changing to the right lane blindly from behind another car, and if there's a slow bike in that right lane at that instant, he's a goner. Observing those kind of lane changes is what made me decide to only use Crowley Road on my commute for as far as it has shoulders, and turn onto something else where it just becomes all lanes with no shoulders.

 
That I haven't seen that yet but on a road with drivers doing 50mph any cyclist is going to be in that slow category. I'm often on 4-6 lane roads at rush hour but so far everyone hasn't been coming into my lane an pretty neatly pass me with only the very rare person who ends up stuck behind me as everyone who already shifted passed by.
One thing I have seen in some areas of FM407 where I ride the shoulder is drivers coming into the shoulder at a high speed to get out of the way of traffic just before they take their right turn. I'm glad FM407 doesn't have a curb and I most often avoid it if there is high traffic where people seem to do that manuever more often.
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Re: Making Garland safer to ride in
Reply #48 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 1:03pm
 
And shoulders become marked right turn lanes at intersections on some roads. The most hazardous spot on my commute route seems to be on Crowley Road and Risinger Road where the shoulder becomes a right turn lane. Through traffic is traveling at 50+ mph in the dark, so I don't like moving out of the shoulder/turn lane into the next lane, but there are always right turners, and a bothersome number of them try to pass me before getting in the turn lane, misjudge how fast I'm going, and end up beside me on my left at the intersection, trying to decide what to do.
 
Looking at the route before I rode it, I would not have thought that to be the most hazardous spot on it.  I had a couple of places just like that on the SH360 stretches I rode, but they were never as big a problem as this spot. Smiley
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Reply #49 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 1:40pm
 
I'm still waiting to hear back from the people that were authorized to be on the BPAC. At this point I don't even know if they still work for COGarland. I have the feeling that if they were still working I wouldn't have been voluntold to make a bike plan with the restrictions I was given. I just can't believe that Garland made it all the way to the 21st Century without a Master Bike Plan.
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Reply #50 - Oct 23rd, 2009, 2:32pm
 
You gotta be thankful for whatcha got right? No plan is better then say Copper Canyon's which appears to be put the bike on the back of your car and drive it to white rock lake or something. Thankfully they have no police to enforce whatever silly laws their town council passes and the locals who stop you in the road just want to vent a bit about the really poorly mannered cyclists.
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