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Re: Curious about recumbents
Reply #30 - Apr 29th, 2009, 12:11pm
 
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2.  The wind:  With a pure headwind the 'bent has an advantage, but with a cross-wind, give me plenty of side space.
As compared to a DF? My Corsa and Agio do much better than a DF in a crosswind. I've been on the Corsa several rides when DF riders were literally getting blown off the road and it just felt like the rear tire was going flat a bit. With a HED3 on the front it even tucks into the wind a bit to counter the side gusts. A little disconcerting at first, but a pretty neat effect at speed.

 
As compared to my DF, yes.  I have been blown into the grass on one ride, and shoved into the next lane on another.  Of course, it may just be a case of comparing apples to oranges at this point.  I've been on a DF for a while now, but only on the Corsa for about 4 months.  When I get hit with a crosswind on the DF it may just be I handle it better, since I'm used to it.
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Re: Curious about recumbents
Reply #31 - Apr 29th, 2009, 12:58pm
 

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As compared to my DF, yes. I have been blown into the grass on one ride, and shoved into the next lane on another.

 
As for crosswind, I used to be more worried, but I've grown to prefer the Corsa or Strada to a DF in heavy crosswinds.  They definitely seem to move along better, and I feel more in control.  This was not the case initially for me, as I sweated the higher winds.  So familiarity has definitely played a role on the comfort front.  I think the longer wheelbase helps as well.
 
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Reply #32 - Apr 29th, 2009, 1:24pm
 
Quote from AustinSkater on Apr 28th, 2009, 4:39pm:

2.  The wind:  With a pure headwind the 'bent has an advantage, but with a cross-wind, give me plenty of side space.

3.  Hills:  Anyone who says a 'bent can't climb is lying.  Of course, it all depends on the rider/bike, but I had a high-racer drop me on a good climb when I was on my DF (and I'm a climber).

4.  Comfort:  Hands down, give me my Bachetta (no more numb hands - or saddle sores).

5.  Pack riding: I ride with the local club on their fast past Tue/Thursday rides, and they only gave me grief for a little while.  It does take some getting used to riding in close with DFs that aren't used to 'bents (especially when you're still getting used to a 'bent), but it can be done.

6.  The 'bent can do it all, just not racing against DFs.

7.  Test ride: Important enough to mention twice.

 
Wow Bryan, while I completely agree, rougly 6 months ago I would never have believed those words would come from you.  The first time I met you was at last year's TTTT, but the first time I rode with you was at last year's Populaire, the day after the Dart.  For a while I was leading the pack heading up 377, and you were right behind me.  I don't remember specificlly what you said, but it was something about bent's should be up front.  I led for the first 10-15 miles before fading back to ride with some of my friends.  Then Schlitter took over and pulled everyone the rest of the way.  
 
FWIW, it's great to read how you feel about bents in such a relatively short time period. Does Shellene feel the same way?
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Re: Curious about recumbents
Reply #33 - Apr 29th, 2009, 1:29pm
 
The only place I have a problem with the weight of my bike, and more so the weight of the rider, is long sustained hills. That is usually where I start losing folks on brevets if I had kept up with anyone to begin with. Well that and jamming my chain which with an actual double crank for my double set of rings I think is finally fixed!
 
In crosswinds I find it easier to handle my road bike because it seems I have alot more natural lean control over it and can recover if I overcorrected. I think some of my problems on the hurricane in really strong crosswinds have been because I corrected the same amount I would on my Giro which may not work because I'm so much lower. The only bike I get blown around is on my fuji touring bike with an xtracycle on it that thing flies all over the place even with 100lbs of dog food on it.
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Reply #34 - Apr 29th, 2009, 1:46pm
 
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Wow Bryan, while I completely agree, rougly 6 months ago I would never have believed those words would come from you.  The first time I met you was at last year's TTTT, but the first time I rode with you was at last year's Populaire, the day after the Dart.  For a while I was leading the pack heading up 377, and you were right behind me.  I don't remember specificlly what you said, but it was something about bent's should be up front.  I led for the first 10-15 miles before fading back to ride with some of my friends.  Then Schlitter took over and pulled everyone the rest of the way.  

FWIW, it's great to read how you feel about bents in such a relatively short time period. Does Shellene feel the same way?

 
I have had a lot of fun with the Corsa, but Charlie asked me during the brevet this past weekend which bike I preferred.  I didn't even hesitate before I responded: "My Merckx."  Comfort isn't the only thing I consider when I'm riding, I am first and foremost a climber.  Until I get to the same level on the Corsa that I have on the Merckx, that will always be my favorite bike.  That being said, I intend to keep riding the Corsa until I do get to that level (considering how long I've been riding DFs, that may be a good long time on the 'bent - and there is no complaining in that statement).
 
I'll let Shellene answer that, I just know that she loves to ride bikes!
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Reply #35 - Apr 29th, 2009, 9:01pm
 
I had a chance to really ride a V-Rex and hop on a Corsa for a second.  I REALLY like the V-Rex.  I REALLY REALLY like hte V-Rex and the newer V-Rex LE as the features I want and a price I like.  Tomorrow or Friday I hope to get the chance to ride a Sun Tomahawk which is similar to the V-3.  Depending on what happens this weekend I might go out and ride a V-3.  If anyone knows of an LBS that has a V-3 close to Fort Worth please let me know.
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Reply #36 - Apr 29th, 2009, 9:35pm
 
I love to climb as well.  I don't do it as well as I'd like, but then I'll never be everything I want to be.  Given that I haven't ridden a road bike in a year now, I'd have to say that I am probably as good a climber on the bent as I was on the upright.  But I'd be ok with being a slower climber, since I know I'm faster overall.  It's good enough most of the time to know I'm in the top third of most packs I've ridden with.
 
I've never thought bents were for everyone.  Many in LSR have zero pain on a df and enjoy the heck out of - so why change?  In the end they're all just bicycles.  Mine just happen to be a cooler one than most  Grin
 
 
Quote from AustinSkater on Apr 29th, 2009, 1:46pm:
Quote from bikerteam on Apr 29th, 2009, 1:24pm:


Wow Bryan, while I completely agree, rougly 6 months ago I would never have believed those words would come from you.  The first time I met you was at last year's TTTT, but the first time I rode with you was at last year's Populaire, the day after the Dart.  For a while I was leading the pack heading up 377, and you were right behind me.  I don't remember specificlly what you said, but it was something about bent's should be up front.  I led for the first 10-15 miles before fading back to ride with some of my friends.  Then Schlitter took over and pulled everyone the rest of the way.  

FWIW, it's great to read how you feel about bents in such a relatively short time period. Does Shellene feel the same way?


I have had a lot of fun with the Corsa, but Charlie asked me during the brevet this past weekend which bike I preferred.  I didn't even hesitate before I responded: "My Merckx."  Comfort isn't the only thing I consider when I'm riding, I am first and foremost a climber.  Until I get to the same level on the Corsa that I have on the Merckx, that will always be my favorite bike.  That being said, I intend to keep riding the Corsa until I do get to that level (considering how long I've been riding DFs, that may be a good long time on the 'bent - and there is no complaining in that statement).

I'll let Shellene answer that, I just know that she loves to ride bikes!

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Re: Curious about recumbents
Reply #37 - Apr 29th, 2009, 10:54pm
 
Quote from system-f on Apr 29th, 2009, 9:01pm:
I had a chance to really ride a V-Rex and hop on a Corsa for a second.  I REALLY like the V-Rex.  I REALLY REALLY like hte V-Rex and the newer V-Rex LE as the features I want and a price I like.  Tomorrow or Friday I hope to get the chance to ride a Sun Tomahawk which is similar to the V-3.  Depending on what happens this weekend I might go out and ride a V-3.  If anyone knows of an LBS that has a V-3 close to Fort Worth please let me know.

 
Plano Cycling is probably the only place with a V3 on the sales floor.  The Tomahawk could be interesting, with the 700 rear wheel -- I've never test ridden the one at Richardson BikeMart, so I don't know how it handles.  It may be a rougher ride than the VRex due to the monotube, but maybe not.  But if you're truly enamoured with the VRex, it's definitely not a bad first bike!!
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Reply #38 - Apr 29th, 2009, 11:32pm
 
Quote from AustinSkater on Apr 29th, 2009, 12:11pm:
As compared to my DF, yes.  I have been blown into the grass on one ride, and shoved into the next lane on another.

I wonder if a difference between our Corsas is causing this or riding style? I've ridden DF bikes for over 30 years and within about 3 months the Corsa was far more stable in crosswinds for me. Actually, it was the first heavy crosswind ride on the Corsa which happened to be about 3 months and it was still a pretty stock Corsa at that point. How far back do you have the seat set? I wonder if having it fairly upright causes more instability.
 
In speed-descents with crosswinds I'm still a bit shaky but it's me who is shaky, not the Corsa. That and hard cornering I still need to work on a lot to get anywhere near what I could do on a DF road bike. I have been in crosswinds that blew me around a bit but I was running my coroplast panniers on the rear and the ~40mph wind gusts picked up my rear wheel and set it a foot or two to the side, but that has only happened with the panniers on and I'm pretty sure it was lift on the panniers, not just pushing the bike that caused the problem.
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Reply #39 - Apr 30th, 2009, 9:33am
 
regarding crosswinds Rich Pinto says the Bacchettas do so well because the side pressure ends up acting on the bike closer to the rear wheel contact patch or something like that, and that it actually improves with a rear disc and normal front wheel.  That and the superman position gives better leverage on the bars.  I think I've paraphrased that correctly.  My experience bears that out.  I prefer not to have the deep dish front aero wheel on in the wind though.
 
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Reply #40 - Apr 30th, 2009, 10:31am
 
I have a Giro 26 and i have not had any serious cross wind problems this spring and I have ridden on some very windy days.
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Reply #41 - Apr 30th, 2009, 11:16am
 
The only cross wind issues I had was on the Strada with a fairing on the front of it.  The fairing caught the side wind and caused me to have to lean the bike into the wind to stay up.   Fairing are great with the wind behind you or going into the wind, but sideways can be an issue in very high winds.
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Reply #42 - Apr 30th, 2009, 12:09pm
 
Quote from jcsadowski on Apr 30th, 2009, 10:31am:
I have a Giro 26 and i have not had any serious cross wind problems this spring and I have ridden on some very windy days.

goatstick mentioned it but what is mounted on the bike made a big difference for me.
On my Giro 26 the Aerotrunk caused it to try and dive the opposite way which I need to unlearn countering a crosswind by leaning hard into the wind because that probably contributed to a fall on the Hurricane.
With dual Ortlieb rear panniers it wanted to pickup the rear wheel and sometimes did.
With both the aerotrunk and rear panniers it would slide the rear wheel.
With just an aeropod I just get some pressure but nothing major.
 
 
 
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Reply #43 - Apr 30th, 2009, 12:22pm
 
Side winds were huge deals for me on the carbent when I rode in December and January.  Scary as a matter of fact.  I can't imagine why it'd be that much different from a corsa.  The wheelbase is longer, the seat is lower, but the wheels are taller of course.
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Reply #44 - Apr 30th, 2009, 4:17pm
 
Quote from bikerteam on Apr 29th, 2009, 1:24pm:

Wow Bryan, while I completely agree, rougly 6 months ago I would never have believed those words would come from you.  The first time I met you was at last year's TTTT, but the first time I rode with you was at last year's Populaire, the day after the Dart.  For a while I was leading the pack heading up 377, and you were right behind me.  I don't remember specificlly what you said, but it was something about bent's should be up front.  I led for the first 10-15 miles before fading back to ride with some of my friends.  Then Schlitter took over and pulled everyone the rest of the way.  

FWIW, it's great to read how you feel about bents in such a relatively short time period. Does Shellene feel the same way?

 
Mark asked me on the 600k if I like the df or the bent better.  I answered without thinking, but have since been contemplating......  I have to admit that I still really miss being able to stand up and climb at a really cool steady pace.  However, my climbing on the bent is getting better with every training session, so I'll have to give that a little time.  Overall:  The bent is so super cool on the downhills and in the flats Cheesy that I'm certain I will not hesitate to prefer my bent in the near future.  Besides, the lack of intense pain while riding is probably the most cool thing I could ask for!  I believe my df withdrawl symptoms are drawing quickly to a close;  I'll be addicted to the bent in no time!
 
As for wind, no problems on the bent in the wind for me.  I still feel the nastyness of the headwinds, but that is just lack of strength development in the legs.  Crosswinds aren't any worse than the df for me.
 
And for cornering:  I am a total wimp at cornering now since I took that nasty concussion a while back.  My head hurt for days and if Metcalf hadn't been with me I would have been completely lost on roads I had ridden many times before.  I couldn't understand the cue sheet nor remember where I was, and I'm no longer willing to risk anything in the corners.  I'll just have to work harder to catch up after each corner.  So, I can't give any rating of either bike in the corners......
 
I really just love riding my bike.  My bent lets me do that and in fine style Cool
 
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