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The Quick Recline seat adjust system
Sep 14th, 2007, 7:34pm
 
Since I now have my instant seat tilt adjustment system mostly working, and blabbed about it on BROL, I figured I should go ahead and start this thread on it. I'll update it as new things happen with the system.  
 
Since a more upright and closed riding postion seems to be better for climbing, but a more reclined and open position the most aerodynamic for the flats and downhills, I decided to build a system that would let me make instant seat tilt adjustments on my Corsa. I call it the Quick Recline system.
 
The system uses small pneumatic cyclinders and springs on the seat stays, and a miniature pneumatic valve on the handlebar. Basically here's how the system is supposed to work: To lower the seat, I flip the valve toggle handle open, which lets my weight lower the seat. When it reaches its lower limit, I flip the handle back to lock the seat. To raise it, I flip the handle open, lean forward to unweight the seat and allow the springs to raise it, flip the handle to lock the seat, then lean back. All of it works well now, except for the valve. It will only lock the seat in one direction, so I lock the seat up, but when I want the seat down, I just leave the valve open and let my dead weight keep it down. I have a new valve ordered, which I hope will fix this last major problem.  
 
If you want to read all about the technical aspects of the system, you can go to my web page on it. For most, that is probably more than you ever wanted to know about it.
 
Here's a photo of the seat stays, showing the cylinders and springs.



In the next photo, the yellow arrow is pointing at the valve toggle handle.

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Re: The Quick Recline seat adjust system
Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2007, 8:15pm
 
Here are my early impressions:
 
Raising the seat recline helps even more for climbing than I expected.
 
Lowering the seat recline helps the aerodynamics even more than I expected.
 
The seat is slower to raise than I would like, and bound to get slower in cold weather. But stronger springs which would make it quicker might be more than my weight will compress, without lead in my pockets. Maybe the new valve will be better.
 
Being able to change the seat angle is a nice break for fatiguing muscles after some miles on the bike, even if you don't need to raise it for climbing.
 
The 7 mile incline at The Texas Time Trials is too gradual for my speed to be helped by raising the seat (which only seems to make a big difference on steep climbs), but I'm too slow going up it for the aerodynamic lower position to help............. sorry, team, I'm still a slug.
 
This setup opens up all kinds of new riding strategies. For example, going up a less than steep hill against the wind, I would leave the seat down for the aerodynamics, but going up the same hill with the wind at my back, I'd have the seat up.
 
The up position is WAY better for riding in a df paceline. You can see the pavement closer in front, helping with the thing I've always hated most about paceline riding: not being able to see holes and bumps under the riders in front of me. Also, since you are drafting, the aerodynamics of the lower position aren't needed, anyway.
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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2007, 8:48pm
 
Bud, I'm officially impressed.  Very cool!
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2007, 10:05pm
 
Wow.  Absolutely an awesome idea, Bud.  I would love to try this on my Aero.  When you are ready to market it, will there be an RBENT member discount?
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 15th, 2007, 9:59am
 
That's pretty cool, Bud.  I remember you saying that you were going to try to put this together, but I never guessed it could actually be done.  The engineering looks very professional, and thinking back on some of your other projects... what is it that you do for a living?  I originally thought that you worked at some sort of a welding shop.  Then I thought, based on this forum, that you were a software developer for Spinnerbaker.
 
But I digress.
 
I get that the rear seat supports collapse and telescope by means of the system you've developed, but don't you have forward/aft positioning problems when you change the angle of recline?  From my own experience, I've discovered that for each hole that I lower the rear of my seat, I must move the seat bracket forward about 1/2" to maintain the correct leg extension.  I don't recall your mentioning any sort of fore/aft adjustment in your design, so do you set up your seat for your max recline and then just cope with shortened pedal strokes while the seat is less reclined?
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Reply #5 - Sep 15th, 2007, 2:15pm
 
Quote from FooRider on Sep 15th, 2007, 9:59am:
That's pretty cool, Bud. I remember you saying that you were going to try to put this together, but I never guessed it could actually be done. The engineering looks very professional, and thinking back on some of your other projects... what is it that you do for a living? I originally thought that you worked at some sort of a welding shop. Then I thought, based on this forum, that you were a software developer for Spinnerbaker.

But I digress.

I get that the rear seat supports collapse and telescope by means of the system you've developed, but don't you have forward/aft positioning problems when you change the angle of recline? From my own experience, I've discovered that for each hole that I lower the rear of my seat, I must move the seat bracket forward about 1/2" to maintain the correct leg extension. I don't recall your mentioning any sort of fore/aft adjustment in your design, so do you set up your seat for your max recline and then just cope with shortened pedal strokes while the seat is less reclined?

 
I work as a machine shop CNC maintenance technician. I'm a self-taught computer programmer. I am the owner, staff, and janitor at SpinnerBaker Software. It is just a part time thing, that once took up a bunch of time and earned a tidy second income, but doesn't amount to much these days.
 
There is no provision for fore and aft adjustment in the system. A Euromesh seat like mine allows you to slide some to compensate, but without sliding the seat, it does limit the amount of recline adjustment that is useful to you. For me, it seems to be a little over 1 inch, on the cylinder.
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Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2007, 5:21pm
 
You are my hero - and ten times smarter than Wile E. Coyote.
 
....Bud Bent - supergenius!
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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2007, 5:47pm
 
Quote from aikigreg on Sep 15th, 2007, 5:21pm:
You are my hero - and ten times smarter than Wile E. Coyote.

....Bud Bent - supergenius!

 
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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2007, 7:25pm
 
I am way impressed with your result. From a thought to reality, that's what its all about.
 
So bud, can we tap you now for small machining projects?
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Reply #9 - Sep 16th, 2007, 3:44pm
 
So, are Greg and I listed as coauthors on the patent?    Smiley
 
Nicely done, Sir...
 
Similarly, Barry mentioned to me his recommended solution to the "sliding seat" problem that RANS bikes have -- RANS should create ratchet-style notches in the seat bar and rad-loc clamp mechanism...
 
Ah, the fun of mechanical design...
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Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2007, 5:42pm
 
Say, Bud, what's your current thinking on the "instant adjust" system, and its functionality?  Have you been utilizing it, and what do you think about it a couple months later??
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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2007, 6:28pm
 
Quote from FlyingLaZBoy on Nov 6th, 2007, 5:42pm:
Say, Bud, what's your current thinking on the "instant adjust" system, and its functionality? Have you been utilizing it, and what do you think about it a couple months later??

 
I've adjusted and fine tuned, and replaced the puny lower seat stay rod with stronger tubing. I haven't used it a lot lately, though, because most of my rides have been flat. I mainly use it when there's big climbing, or to change muscles a bit when I'm tired on a really long ride. The rest of the time, I keep it reclined all the way. I'll post an up to date photo when I get a chance.
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Reply #12 - Nov 11th, 2007, 6:28pm
 
Here's a photo of the latest version. It has a longer spring, so I get pretty much the full 1 1/2 inch travel of the cyclinder, as well as a much stronger lower stay. I fabricated it out of aluminum tubing, smashing the lower end in a vice, grinding a radius on it, then drilling. It seems very sturdy.
 
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Reply #13 - Nov 11th, 2007, 7:04pm
 
What's that line about "Building a better mousetrap"???   Roll Eyes
 
Nice work, Sir!
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Reply #14 - Nov 12th, 2007, 9:29pm
 
Quote from aikigreg on Sep 15th, 2007, 5:21pm:
You are my hero - and ten times smarter than Wile E. Coyote.

....Bud Bent - supergenius!

 
 
Umm... Roll Eyes why do u think i married the guy! Smiley
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Reply #15 - Nov 13th, 2007, 11:18am
 
I wonder if there is a market for Buds invention.  
 
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Reply #16 - Nov 13th, 2007, 2:04pm
 
Quote from MrOverdressed on Nov 13th, 2007, 11:18am:
I wonder if there is a market for Buds invention.

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I'm not sure it will ever be worth marketing. There are bound to be other riders who would like an instant adjust. But, every bike and every rider are different. Just finding my own preferred range of adjustment took a lot of tinkering. My present version doesn't allow for the wide range of setups necessary, and I'm not sure I could make an affordable version that does.
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