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Message started by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 6th, 2012, 9:30am

Title: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 6th, 2012, 9:30am

Greater Dallas Bicyclists presents the Lancaster Rally

Saturday, April 14, 2012

Make plans to enjoy a fabulous day of Texas springtime cycling in the luscious and calm countryside south of Dallas! For the 14th consecutive year, the Greater Dallas Bicyclists, together with the City of Lancaster, is staging the Lancaster Country Ride on Saturday, April 14, 2012 at 9 am. Lancaster is a mere 15 minutes from downtown Dallas.

Join us as we cycle through the scenic countryside of Lancaster and surrounding areas. The routes traverse a variety of terrain, from flats to rolling hills, with a few challenging climbs. Rest stops every 10 or 12 miles with water, sports drink and fruit. The wildflowers are in full bloom in April and our routes feature picturesque meadows with dense concentrations of Bluebonnets, Indian Paintbrush, and other colorful spring flowers.

Lancaster GDB socks for the first 1,200 registered riders!

Start/Finish: On-site registration and breakfast begins at 7 am. Ride starts at 9 am from the gazebo near the historic Lancaster town square off Main Street and Dallas Avenue. After the ride, stick around with other cyclists to enjoy the festivities on the square.

Mileage options: 23, 42 and 63 miles staggered start for safety. We have scouted and ridden the routes to ensure smooth roads and scenic countryside for all bicyclists to enjoy. The 42 and 63 mile options take you directly through the Bluebonnet Trial on beautiful and hilly Sugar Ridge Road. Note that GDB requires helmets to be worn during the ride.

Price/Registration: There are 4 ways to register/pay for this event:
1. You can register via active.com ($25 if paid on or before March 28th; $30 if paid from March 29th until April 13th).
2. You can register via US Mail ($25 if postmarked by March 28th; $30 if postmarked from March 29th until April 4th). NOTE: forms mailed after April 4th will probably not get to us in time and are therefore not guaranteed to be valid.  You can also pick up a rally flyer (including registration form) at most area bicycle shops.
3. You can register at the Packet Pickup events listed below ($30 cash/check only).
4. You can register at the Lancaster Gazebo near the start line on the day of the rally ($30 cash/check only).

Packet Pick-Up: To ease rally day on-site registration, we’ll have packet pickup at six locations, before the day itself. You can go to these events to pick up your packet if you've already registered via active.com or US mail. You can also go to these events and fill out a registration, pay the fee there and get your packet. Ride participants must sign their own liability release waiver (either electronically when registering via active.com or by signature on the paper registration form).

    Saturday April 7th from noon-3pm at Richardson Bike Mart (Campbell and Coit Road in Richardson)
       Tuesday April 10th from 4pm–7pm at the Dallas Performance Bicycle (North Central Expressway at Walnut Hill)
          Wednesday April 11th from 4pm–7pm at the Dallas REI (LBJ Freeway at Welch)
             Wednesday April 11th from 4pm–7pm at B&B Bicycles (229 East FM1382 in Cedar Hill)
                 Thursday April 12th from 4pm-7pm at Plano Cycling & Fitness (North Central Expressway at 18th Street)
                      Friday April 13th from 4pm-7pm at Mad Duck Cyclery (721 E. NW Hwy, Grapevine)

Breakfast: Come early to purchase ($6) pancakes, sausage, coffee and juice from the Boy Scouts. They will be at the First United Methodist Church, 201 South Dallas Avenue, across the street from the town square starting at 7am.

Directions to Ride: To get to the start from I-20, take exit #470 and go south on Lancaster Rd (Hwy 342). Lancaster Rd becomes Dallas Ave. Continue 4.5 miles to the Gazebo area near the town square. For GPS users, the Gazebo is in the 200 block of North Dallas Avenue.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Monkeywrangler22 on Mar 6th, 2012, 11:31am

Hmm...sounds interesting!  What is the 100K route like?

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by bent_eagle on Mar 6th, 2012, 10:36pm

http://www.greaterdallasbicyclists.com/lancaster/index.html

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by aikigreg on Mar 7th, 2012, 10:15am

This is one Alexis and I always enjoy.  We should be there.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Mar 7th, 2012, 10:56am

Sweet, I'm in!!

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 7th, 2012, 11:32am


shellbear wrote:
Sweet, I'm in!!


You better install a triple crank on your Musashi, and be sure to bring your strongest set of legs with you.  :D

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Mar 7th, 2012, 12:24pm


jayg wrote:
[quote author=shellbear link=1331047845/0#4 date=1331139402]Sweet, I'm in!!


You better install a triple crank on your Musashi, and be sure to bring your strongest set of legs with you.  :D
[/quote]


Hey, I did 62 miles in Aledo last year and 160 (in 2 days) in San Antonio with just a double, I hope I can make it in south Dallas!  Don't make me eat my words.  LOL

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 7th, 2012, 1:45pm


shellbear wrote:
[quote author=jayg link=1331047845/0#5 date=1331141524][quote author=shellbear link=1331047845/0#4 date=1331139402]Sweet, I'm in!!


You better install a triple crank on your Musashi, and be sure to bring your strongest set of legs with you.  :D
[/quote]


Hey, I did 62 miles in Aledo last year and 160 (in 2 days) in San Antonio with just a double, I hope I can make it in south Dallas!  Don't make me eat my words.  LOL[/quote]

Talk to you after the ride.  :)

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Mar 7th, 2012, 1:49pm


jayg wrote:
[quote author=shellbear link=1331047845/0#6 date=1331144668][quote author=jayg link=1331047845/0#5 date=1331141524][quote author=shellbear link=1331047845/0#4 date=1331139402]Sweet, I'm in!!


You better install a triple crank on your Musashi, and be sure to bring your strongest set of legs with you.  :D
[/quote]


Hey, I did 62 miles in Aledo last year and 160 (in 2 days) in San Antonio with just a double, I hope I can make it in south Dallas!  Don't make me eat my words.  LOL[/quote]

Talk to you after the ride.  :)
[/quote]

Ok, I'm sufficiently frightened.  Lynn told me last weekend that you were instrumental in getting her 3 ring installed on her Musashi.  Might I enlist your services to do the same for mine?  I will PM you with details...

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 7th, 2012, 8:18pm


shellbear wrote:
Ok, I'm sufficiently frightened.  Lynn told me last weekend that you were instrumental in getting her 3 ring installed on her Musashi.  Might I enlist your services to do the same for mine?  I will PM you with details...


There were two hills on the Lancaster ride that were really difficult for me to climb. One of them had me thinking that I needed to get off the bike and start walking (I didn't, though). I was cranking maybe 142 pounds of body weight and 30.5 pounds of bike and tool weight up the hills. I was riding a RANS X-Stream (About 1 pound lighter than a Musashi). It had a 52/39/30, 170 mm triple crankset and a custom 11/30 cassette. The lowest gear-inch value for the drivetrain was 24.3.

The Musashi comes standard with a 10-speed 11/32 mountain bike cassette. The lowest gear-inch value for a stock Musashi is 27.9. Maybe the optional cassette Mike installed on your bike is an 11/34 or 11/36. You need to either count the teeth or look for the tooth count stamped on the big cog. If the cassette is an 11/34, the gear-inch value will be 26.3 and if 11/36, will be 24.8.

If you installed a 165 mm triple crankset on your bike, the lower gear-inch value would be 23.2 for an 11/34 cassette and 21.9 for an 11/36. The lower the gear-inch value, the greater the climbing power.

In addition to the new crankset you might need a new bottom bracket, you would need to replace your 2-speed trigger shifter with a 3-speed shifter, and might need to replace the rear derailleur with a long-cage derailleur (If the stock Rival mid-cage derailleur is still on your bike, it's gear wrap capacity would be exceed as much as 21% with the new crankset installed).

I would be glad to work on your bike, but before you spend all that money on components, you should probably try Lancaster with your current setup. The main reason Lynn installed a triple was she already had the crankset, and she prefers to ride in the middle ring of a triple, instead of the small or large ring of the Musashi's stock compact crankset. Why don't you try climbing Flag Pole Hill at WRL, sometime, to test the climbing ability of your current setup?

I currently have a 170 mm carbon triple crankset installed on my Musashi, because I'm running a 12/27 close-ratio cassette. Lower gear-inch value is 29.2. This setup is fine for White Rock Lake, but is probably not suitable for long, steep hills. Today, I ordered a 22T chain ring, which will give my bike's drivetrain a lower gear-inch value of 21.4. I'm preparing the Musashi for Ride Ataxia (I have forgotten what the terrain was like on that ride).



Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 8th, 2012, 9:05am


jayg wrote:
If the cassette is an 11/34, the gear-inch value will be 26.3 and if 11/36, will be 24.8.

If you installed a 165 mm triple crankset on your bike, the lower gear-inch value would be 23.2 for an 11/34 cassette and 21.9 for an 11/36. The lower the gear-inch value, the greater the climbing power.


Or, to put it in layman's terms -- a "24 gear inch" value means that with every pedal stroke of ONE of your legs, it moves you forward one foot (12 inches), and with every complete rotation of the crank (i.e., both legs), you move forward 24 inches.  When hill climbing, it's a fine line between at what speed you are going up the hill (how many crank rotations moving you X feet forward each time) vs. keeping your balance... And the effort to go up a hill at a certain speed on a bike is essentially like the difference between walking up a hill and trying to jog up it.

And to slightly modify what Jay said, the lower the gear-inch value, the slower you can climb while still keeping a decent pedal RPM going -- it's not really climbing "power" as such, it's the ability to keep pedaling at slow speed (as long as you can balance!)...  

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 8th, 2012, 9:20am

Oh, and the Lancaster Rally 63-mile and 42-mile routes are definitely not a piece of cake...  but it's a VERY enjoyable ride, with good rest stops every 10 miles or so and good SAG support.  There is one tough 8% grade hill that is 5 miles in, but it's short, and the "Sugar Ridge Road" section from Mile 15 to Mile 19 is definitely hilly, with one particularly tough climb that a LOT of people walk up -- but the bluebonnets along that stretch are so pretty, you don't mind it!!!  After that, the hill climbing is minimal, except for a short section around the 45 mile point.  It's NOTHING like riding Muenster or any East Texas ride where there's nothing BUT climbing and rollers...

However, the WIND will be your enemy, if it's from the north, because the last 20 miles are northbound...  but last year we had a south wind, which made the first half tough, but the last half NIIIIIICE!!!!  But we're on recumbents, who cares about headwinds??????

Don't let the climbing scare you -- just plan for a lengthy, but enjoyable ride, with the occasional challenging climb that will make you appreciate it!!!

The 23-mile route is pretty much just for newbies, or those who just go out for 5-10 miles whenever they ride, and has that one climb at Mile 5 -- but it's basically just riding to Ferris and back...




Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Mar 8th, 2012, 11:14am


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Don't let the climbing scare you -- just plan for a lengthy, but enjoyable ride, with the occasional challenging climb that will make you appreciate it!!!


Well, Jay's post up there seems complicated and expensive, so maybe I will just deal with what I've got for now, and if I have to walk then so be it!  I will definitely learn my gearing and see if my Musashi can be improved though.  I definitely have used the lowest gear I have on several occasions, but only in San Antonio was it really challenging enough to have me going <6mph up hills and my knees started to hurt.  :-/  

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by rmillay on Mar 8th, 2012, 1:27pm

An 8% grade is equivalent to the grade on the Northwest Hwy. detour at WRL, or the grade by the dam there.  If you can get up those at a uniform pace, your legs and bike are enough for a small hill like that.

The thing is, getting up hill is more than just gearing.  Gearing is more important for us because we can't stand up on the pedals like an upright rider can.  That gives roadies two advantages: They have a higher center of gravity which makes it much easier to balance at low speeds and pedal cadence.  Standing also protects their knees somewhat from the pressure of hard pedaling.  Almost any of us regular riders have more than enough leg strength to hurt ourselves by pushing too hard.  So we must spin more than a roadie.

Then there is the nature of the hill itself.  Taking a hill is a matter going into it with good momentum, getting into the right ring early on and keeping a high enough cadence that you feel confident in the power you are putting into the climb.  But what if there is rough road, or potholes you didn't expect?  And don't miss a shift!  One problem with a hill at the 5-mile mark in a tee-shirt ride is all the slow riders in your way, weaving around and trying to pass one another.   And the problem with a big hill near the end of the ride is your legs are shot.  Handling the latter is best done by down-gearing and stopping for a couple of minutes to rest, getting your heart rate down.  You will find that spinning up the hill at a stately pace after a short rest is comparatively easy.  (Yes, I have used this technique, on Cherry Pie hill near the end of a 200k.)

How about BIG hills?  Cherry Pie, on FM4, near Palo Pinto, is 350 feet of climbing in a little over a mile; that's an average of 6% grade.  But, of course, the grade isn't uniform, and there are turns.  Same with Camp Wisdom Road going up from near Joe Pool Lake.  It's 200 feet in about a kilometer--again an average of about 6%.  If you aren't in shape, it's best to have the gears.  Most of the roads up the western mountains average 4% or less, and are no worse than slogging into a strong headwind for miles on end.  There are hills, like in Eastern Pennsylvania that are 20% grade.  For me, fuhgeddaboudit!

The best thing is, you can get in shape for hills--especially you young people!  In the next three weeks look for hills you can ride up and repeat.  Do this a couple times a week.  Tell people who look at you oddly you are training for the Tour.  You will polish your technique, shape up your muscles, and gain confidence.  And when you talk to Jay you can say "the hills?  Naah! they weren't so bad!"   [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 8th, 2012, 1:41pm

Bob, how do you have the time to post on the Forum, when you're leaving for Spain today? I know, your wife must be packing the bags.  ;D

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Mar 8th, 2012, 2:04pm

Thanks for the tips, Bob!  I ride the Northwest Hwy hill near WRL all the time, so I guess I'm ok.   I would love to ride more but work and family time is getting in the way.  ;)  I am doing other exercises when I can't ride though!

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Ric_Clark on Mar 8th, 2012, 6:10pm


jayg wrote:
[quote author=shellbear link=1331047845/0#8 date=1331149769]
I would be glad to work on your bike, but before you spend all that money on components,


How much are we talking $$$$$$

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 8th, 2012, 11:10pm


Ric_Clark wrote:
[quote author=jayg link=1331047845/0#9 date=1331173128][quote author=shellbear link=1331047845/0#8 date=1331149769]
I would be glad to work on your bike, but before you spend all that money on components,


How much are we talking $$$$$$[/quote]

Ric, the left TT500 bar end shifter and Rival front derailleur on your bike are compatible with a triple crankset, so all you would need would be a crankset, new bottom bracket, and a new 10-speed, long-cage rear derailleur (Your 10-speed Rival mid-cage derailleur would probably work OK, if you didn't try to shift into the 32T cassette cog, when in the big ring on the crankset). Knowing your riding style, and the fact you're not a weight weenie, I think a 48/36/26 MTB crankset would work for you. Theoretical speed at a 90 cadence in the 48T ring and 11T rear cog would be 30.6 mph. Theoretical speed at a 90 cadence in the 26T ring and 32T rear cog would be 5.7 mph (Fast enough for you to stay upright on your Musashi). Here's a decent crankset w/external-bearing bottom bracket: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003OWYF1G/ref=s9_simh_gw_p200_d0_g200_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=121CS7NX2HHESPS0FFC7&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846. It's designated as a 9-speed crankset, but would be compatible with a 10-speed chain. Here's a good 10-speed, long-cage rear derailleur: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SRAM-X7-GREY-CARBON-10-SPEED-LONG-CAGE-REAR-DERAILLEUR-NEW-IN-BOX-X-7-/390374371074?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5ae4202f02#ht_1720wt_1396. Crankset w/BB - $88.66. Derailleur - $64.49.    

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Opus the Poet on Mar 11th, 2012, 11:08pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
[quote author=jayg link=1331047845/0#9 date=1331173128] If the cassette is an 11/34, the gear-inch value will be 26.3 and if 11/36, will be 24.8.

If you installed a 165 mm triple crankset on your bike, the lower gear-inch value would be 23.2 for an 11/34 cassette and 21.9 for an 11/36. The lower the gear-inch value, the greater the climbing power.


Or, to put it in layman's terms -- a "24 gear inch" value means that with every pedal stroke of ONE of your legs, it moves you forward one foot (12 inches), and with every complete rotation of the crank (i.e., both legs), you move forward 24 inches.  When hill climbing, it's a fine line between at what speed you are going up the hill (how many crank rotations moving you X feet forward each time) vs. keeping your balance... And the effort to go up a hill at a certain speed on a bike is essentially like the difference between walking up a hill and trying to jog up it.

And to slightly modify what Jay said, the lower the gear-inch value, the slower you can climb while still keeping a decent pedal RPM going -- it's not really climbing "power" as such, it's the ability to keep pedaling at slow speed (as long as you can balance!)...  [/quote]
No, it means that you have the equivalent of a penny-farthing with a 24" wheel connected to the pedals, you are confusing "gear-inches" with the European cycling term "development". When I was running the 11-34 cassette on my Stratus with the tiny triple, my low-low gear was 19" (rounded up to the nearest whole inch).

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 13th, 2012, 8:25pm


Opus the Poet wrote:
[quote author=FlyingLaZBoy link=1331047845/0#10 date=1331219144]

Or, to put it in layman's terms -- a "24 gear inch" value means that with every pedal stroke of ONE of your legs, it moves you forward one foot (12 inches), and with every complete rotation of the crank (i.e., both legs), you move forward 24 inches.  


No, it means that you have the equivalent of a penny-farthing with a 24" wheel connected to the pedals, you are confusing "gear-inches" with the European cycling term "development". When I was running the 11-34 cassette on my Stratus with the tiny triple, my low-low gear was 19" (rounded up to the nearest whole inch).[/quote]

Well, ain't that a kick in the head!!! Sho' nuff, I've had it wrong all these last 5-6 years!!!!  D'OH!  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_inches

Thanks, Opus -- I stand (or recline) corrected!!!!  Thus, the distance travelled (i.e., 'development') per single leg stroke with a 24-gear-inch is [(3.14159 x 24") / 2], or 37.75", and one full rotation of the cranks moves you 3.14159 X 24", or 75.5"...  and a 20-gear-inch development is 62.8" for a full rotation -- so you don't climb as far per rotation, thus making it "easier"...

Paul

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Mar 14th, 2012, 8:08pm

Neeeeeeeeeeerds! ;)

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by mleuck on Mar 14th, 2012, 10:37pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Oh, and the Lancaster Rally 63-mile and 42-mile routes are definitely not a piece of cake...  but it's a VERY enjoyable ride, with good rest stops every 10 miles or so and good SAG support.  There is one tough 8% grade hill that is 5 miles in, but it's short, and the "Sugar Ridge Road" section from Mile 15 to Mile 19 is definitely hilly, with one particularly tough climb that a LOT of people walk up -- but the bluebonnets along that stretch are so pretty, you don't mind it!!!  After that, the hill climbing is minimal, except for a short section around the 45 mile point.  It's NOTHING like riding Muenster or any East Texas ride where there's nothing BUT climbing and rollers...

However, the WIND will be your enemy, if it's from the north, because the last 20 miles are northbound...  but last year we had a south wind, which made the first half tough, but the last half NIIIIIICE!!!!  But we're on recumbents, who cares about headwinds??????

Don't let the climbing scare you -- just plan for a lengthy, but enjoyable ride, with the occasional challenging climb that will make you appreciate it!!!

The 23-mile route is pretty much just for newbies, or those who just go out for 5-10 miles whenever they ride, and has that one climb at Mile 5 -- but it's basically just riding to Ferris and back...


The Garmin showed 2,000 feet total climb on the 100k, it wasn't a bad ride although the south wind was a pain going west through Palmer. Here's my data from last year's ride

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/78445761

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Monkeywrangler22 on Mar 15th, 2012, 9:38am

Thanks for that garmin file.  Now I have an idea what the route might be.  It really does sound like a nice ride.  I will have to see how I do next weekend on the 50mi Ataxia route to know if I want to try the Lancaster ride.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Mar 15th, 2012, 6:46pm

here is my Garmin file from last year - looks like  did the 42 mile route - 1362 ft of climbing.  I'm not sure yet how much I trust the elevation tracking on the Garmin - I have done loop routes where up and down don't match (even close)

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/78205532

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Bud_Bent on Mar 15th, 2012, 9:48pm


TonyWard wrote:
here is my Garmin file from last year - looks like  did the 42 mile route - 1362 ft of climbing.  I'm not sure yet how much I trust the elevation tracking on the Garmin - I have done loop routes where up and down don't match (even close)

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/78205532

Garmins do a decent job when the barometric pressure is steady, but when it starts changing very quickly, all bets are off. Here's an elevation graph from a day I was doing hill repeats on Gifco Hill.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x5/Bud_Bent/Misc/gifco1.jpg

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Mar 15th, 2012, 10:15pm

I guess that is what explains why a 12 mile ride around my neighborhood starting and ending at my house showed I climbed 300 more feet than I descended.  For reference my ride on the same course on Monday showed a variance of 7 ft.  Tuesday's ride showed a variance of 24 ft.  I'll have to pay attention to the weather next time I get numbers that are way off.  

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Monkeywrangler22 on Mar 16th, 2012, 9:03am

There is a link on Garmin Connect that allows you to select using Geomapping survey data for elevation.  I suspect that will be more accurate.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Mar 16th, 2012, 11:53am


Monkeywrangler22 wrote:
There is a link on Garmin Connect that allows you to select using Geomapping survey data for elevation.  I suspect that will be more accurate.


Is it the elevations correction button that you can set to either enabled or disabled?  I played with that on one's where it was way off 300 feet but it still didn't fix it.  Maybe they don't know the elevations in Rowlett?

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 17th, 2012, 7:10am

...buncha thread hijackers...      [smiley=cheesy.gif]

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Mar 17th, 2012, 8:37am

To get back on topic. Is there going to be a pre-ride of the route like in prior years?  If so would you need to be a GDB member to participate?

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 18th, 2012, 8:27pm

Just did one yesterday, matter of fact...  that south wind was getting nasty after noon... There were 19 of us, with 5 splitting off for the 42 miler after the RS2 point on Sugar Ridge Rd.  We were rolling at 18-20 most of the day, even into the wind (with regrouping, of course), and I wound up with a 16 average.

One doesn't have to be a GDB club member to participate in ANY of the club's rides -- they just figure that if you're enjoying yourself with the group on a regular basis, you'll find the membership fee worth it - and the fee gives you access to the discussion board.

The prerides, however, are typically advertised to be a certain expected rolling speed (as this one was on the forum) if one is going to join in.  They will probably do another one in 2 weeks, I'll post the info about it here...  It's worth at least going out for the 42!

My pics from yesterday are here:  http://www.greaterdallasbicyclists.com/gallery/rpr317

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Mar 18th, 2012, 8:56pm

Sounds faster than what I can hang with.  Maybe I'll just wait until the official rally.  I'd hate to spoil all the fun before the "real" day gets here.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 18th, 2012, 9:00pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
Just did one yesterday, matter of fact...  that south wind was getting nasty after noon... There were 19 of us, with 5 splitting off for the 42 miler after the RS2 point on Sugar Ridge Rd.  We were rolling at 18-20 most of the day, even into the wind (with regrouping, of course), and I wound up with a 16 average.

One doesn't have to be a GDB club member to participate in ANY of the club's rides -- they just figure that if you're enjoying yourself with the group on a regular basis, you'll find the membership fee worth it - and the fee gives you access to the discussion board.

The prerides, however, are typically advertised to be a certain expected rolling speed (as this one was on the forum) if one is going to join in.  They will probably do another one in 2 weeks, I'll post the info about it here...  It's worth at least going out for the 42!

My pics from yesterday are here:  http://www.greaterdallasbicyclists.com/gallery/rpr317


Paul, some questions:

 Photo 13 of 47. Is there not a long climb on a main road preceeding the side road climb shown in the photo? This is the first of the two tough climbs, isn't it?

 Photo 40 of 47. Is the new road surface shown in the photo smooth asphalt or chipseal?

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Mar 22nd, 2012, 4:13pm


jayg wrote:
Paul, some questions:

 Photo 13 of 47. Is there not a long climb on a main road preceeding the side road climb shown in the photo? This is the first of the two tough climbs, isn't it?

 Photo 40 of 47. Is the new road surface shown in the photo smooth asphalt or chipseal?


There is a short climb up to the turn at Sugar Ridge Road, but nothing serious -- and it's preceeded by a nice downhill.  Photo 13 shows the first climb on Sugar Ridge, about 100 yards in.  There are random rollers in the 4 miles of Sugar Ridge Rd, but definitely one tougher climb after the one pictured.  Just gear down and spin it out...

The new road surface is SMOOOOOTTTTHHHHHH

Pictures 36 and 37 show a VERY nice downhill, that I typically hit 40mph on...  If you do the 42 mile route, it's shortly after you make a right turn at RS 2 -- if you're on the 62 mile route, you'll get there, too, but 20 miles later.

PB

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Mar 22nd, 2012, 4:45pm


FlyingLaZBoy wrote:
[quote author=jayg link=1331047845/30#32 date=1332122403]

Paul, some questions:

 Photo 13 of 47. Is there not a long climb on a main road preceeding the side road climb shown in the photo? This is the first of the two tough climbs, isn't it?

 Photo 40 of 47. Is the new road surface shown in the photo smooth asphalt or chipseal?


There is a short climb up to the turn at Sugar Ridge Road, but nothing serious -- and it's preceeded by a nice downhill.  Photo 13 shows the first climb on Sugar Ridge, about 100 yards in.  There are random rollers in the 4 miles of Sugar Ridge Rd, but definitely one tougher climb after the one pictured.  Just gear down and spin it out...

The new road surface is SMOOOOOTTTTHHHHHH

Pictures 36 and 37 show a VERY nice downhill, that I typically hit 40mph on...  If you do the 42 mile route, it's shortly after you make a right turn at RS 2 -- if you're on the 62 mile route, you'll get there, too, but 20 miles later.

PB
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Thanks, Paul.

Looking forward to riding that new asphalt. My Carbent loves smooth asphalt. Zoom!

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Monkeywrangler22 on Apr 2nd, 2012, 5:44pm

Eh, no joy for me....Scout campout that weekend.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Apr 13th, 2012, 8:26pm

See y'all at Lancaster in the morning. Don't forget to bring your granny gears (or walking shoes) with you.  :)

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Apr 13th, 2012, 8:36pm


jayg wrote:
See y'all at Lancaster in the morning. Don't forget to bring your granny gears (or walking shoes) with you.  :)


Won't see me - wish you were though.  Gonna miss it.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jcsadowski on Apr 14th, 2012, 6:04pm

I may have worn out my granny but I mad it - 62 miles.

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Apr 14th, 2012, 6:21pm


jcsadowski wrote:
I may have worn out my granny but I mad it - 62 miles.


Apparently, the hill-walking roadies we saw wore out their grannies early on.  :)

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by TonyWard on Apr 14th, 2012, 6:58pm


jayg wrote:
[quote author=jcsadowski link=1331047845/30#38 date=1334444679]I may have worn out my granny but I mad it - 62 miles.


Apparently, the hill-walking roadies we saw wore out their grannies early on.  :)
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And they got passed by a couple of old guys ...... On recumbents no less!

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jayg on Apr 14th, 2012, 7:59pm


TonyWard wrote:
And they got passed by a couple of old guys ......


HEY!

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by jcsadowski on Apr 14th, 2012, 8:04pm

Headwinds and tailwinds were no problem but those crosswinds, especially on those rough country roads were murder.
As for old guys . . Be nice....

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by shellbear on Apr 14th, 2012, 8:28pm

I am so proud of myself for not having to walk up any of the hills you all warned me about!  I definitely hit my minimum speed to avoid tipping over though.  Ha ha.  I had a great time despite the wind.  I wish the BBQ truck hadn't run out of food before I got back to the finish just before 2pm though.  :(  Here's my ride data if anyone's interested: http://j.mp/HHLxCT

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by Patti on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:03pm

Enjoyed seeing everyone out at Lancaster yesterday. Only saw Shelly at the start but enjoyed riding with John and Jay for a while. I wasn't sure how well I'd do on the hills but I never had to walk so I consider that a plus, although I was painfully s-l-o-w on a particularly nasty little grade near the exotic animals. Next year, I vote for a rest stop at the winery...

Title: Re: Lancaster Rally -- Sat April 14th, 9AM
Post by johnnybent on Apr 15th, 2012, 5:07pm


Patti wrote:
Enjoyed seeing everyone out at Lancaster yesterday. Only saw Shelly at the start but enjoyed riding with John and Jay for a while. I wasn't sure how well I'd do on the hills but I never had to walk so I consider that a plus, although I was painfully s-l-o-w on a particularly nasty little grade near the exotic animals. Next year, I vote for a rest stop at the winery...

We'd have to sag everyone from that point.

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