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Message started by evblazer on Aug 2^nd, 2008, 8:48pm

Title: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by evblazer on Aug 2^nd, 2008, 8:48pm

I lived, I finished the 200k within the time guidelines now i'm going to take a nap :)

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 2^nd, 2008, 8:52pm

Glad you finished ok, Mark. I was wishing I had your phone number to check on you when we finished. This is a good reminder that we should all have each other's phone numbers on these long rides. I have a pickup, and could have gone and picked up someone and their bike if they needed it. Glad you didn't.

Like these brevets often do, this one seemed like an epic adventure. Around 30 of us left Italy, Tx at 6:30 am, with most riders doing the 300k brevet. As always, I opted for the 200k. The first disappointment came quickly: FM667, just south of Italy had new chipseal, and it went all the way to our turnoff onto SH31 at mile 25. The 300k group was hammering quickly, at a pace too fast for me, and I fell off the back of the group before that turn. Even with a slow start, riding mostly on rough chipseal, going against the wind, and falling off the group, I still had an 18 mph average at mile 25.

When the lead group stopped at the first control in Dawson at mile 28, they were in and out of the store faster than any brevet group I've ever seen. George Elizondo was standing in line behind me, waiting to get his brevet card signed at the counter, when they took off. His mouth dropped open; he had intended on leaving with them.

Steve, Peggy, and I left a few minutes later, and kept a more reasonable pace against the wind after that. When Peggy stopped a few miles later to investigate a Camelbak leak, Sharon Stevens joined us, and rode with us the rest of the way to Mexia (which was her control stop; she was doing the 300k). We continued on to Groesbeck for our control stop at mile 64.

We stopped a bit longer at this control, but still tried to get going fairly quickly to get as far down the road as we could before the heat got too bad. With all the new chipseal at the beginning of this ride, it now has an awfully lot of chipseal, and that combined with the heat had my feet really screaming before we reached the next control, which is the famous Dixie's Little Stop at Mount Calm, mile 93. Steve and Peggy were both also complaining of their feet, so we all shed shoes at this stop.

I don't know what the official high temperature was today, but by the time we made that 93 mile control, the heat was really oppressive. I usually tolerate heat very well, but I had to admit to feeling as wiped out at this control as I have in a while. I wondered how I'd hold up the rest of the way, and since we were still 38 miles from the finish, we all agreed to make an unscheduled stop or two on the last stretch. As we left Dixie's, we spotted Richard Wittenburg just about to pull into the control. Peggy said she thought he was doing the 300k, and even though I know he's a strong rider, we were all amazed that he had gotten this far already.

Steve and Peggy are some kind of strong riders. They still had the energy to sprint for city limit signs and such on this stretch. I was content to just try to pedal myself in, riding behind them. Even though we were now headed mostly north, the wind was so southwest, it still felt like a head wind at times. But, our average speed was showing gains now, so it had to be a tail wind a good bit of the time, too. The bad part of a tail wind on a 100+ degree afternoon is that with no breeze on you, a slower speed up a hill gets you with almost unbearable heat.

We made an unscheduled stop in Malone at mile 109 to cool off and give our feet another break. I downed an RC Cola to see if the caffeine and sugar would help. I still felt pretty wiped out, but was turning the pedals ok. We stopped on a shady sidewalk in Milford, 6 miles from the finish, getting another soft drink from a machine, and resting our feet one more time. As we were packing up to take off again, Richard rode by. We were blown away, thinking that a 300k rider was going to finish before us. I should have known what was going to happen next...

After dropping a bottle, and having to go back for it, Steve went zipping past Peggy and I, and I had a feeling that I knew what was on his mind. Somehow I found the energy to speed up too, and did 20 to 21 mph most of the rest of the way in. I didn't come close to catching Steve, but I caught and passed Richard, as did Peggy behind me. It turned out he was just doing the 200k, too. He had gotten started a bit late, and had stomach issues early. It's a good reminder that, in this kind of heat, even strong riders can easily have a tough day. Richard said his watch was showing a temperature of 109 while riding.

I finished the ride in 10:24, with a 15.9 mph average, and a total of 131.8 miles. My gps showed 3100 feet of climbing on the route. As always, it was great riding with Steve and Peggy. I suspect I slowed them down a bit today, but it was the kind of day that being slowed down a bit probably helped them. I told Rose I was going to be pretty worthless tomorrow. She asked me what else was new...

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Aug 2^nd, 2008, 9:23pm

Other than the 13ish miles that T and I did early this morning, the most strenuous thing I did (outside) today was mow my back yard... my outside thermometer showed 103 in the shade all afternoon, even still at 6:30. Glad everybody made it through!!!! Sorry to hear about that new chipseal... :-X

And Bud, you're definitely right about the heat effect of tailwinds...

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 2^nd, 2008, 9:30pm

FlyingLaZBoy wrote:

Glad everybody made it through!!!!

Actually, that's not everyone. We're still waiting to hear from Greg and Steve, who were doing the 300k.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Strada177 on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 7:37am

EV,that's a relief that you made it in. All three of us were worried about you & riding in the heat(we did wait a few extra minutes at the later controls hoping you would catch up). And yes ,as Bud stated ,we should have exchange cell #'s prior to the ride. With that said,congratulations on completing the ride within the time limit.Well done.

I can't add anything to Bud's report("good job") other than to say that the rando events never disappoint, every ride is different & presents it's own set of challenges(mentally & physically). What a day?! This ride was about surviving the heat(as Peggy called it-heat training). For Peggy & I ,this ride was about knowing that we(Peggy & I ) could ride in the heat for 131+ miles. Mission accomplished.

Bud,you did NOT slow us down in the least. You helped pace us. I've learned a lot in the last 4/5 rando rides(and continue to learn) ,and the biggest thing is to pace yourself. You helped with that yesterday. The sprint for the last 5 miles was fun. I reached 25+mph ,but was mostly between 22-23 mph. I finished with a 16.1 average. I could see a distinct outline in my mirror(with the glare, it was difficult to make out who it was...I thought it was Peggy. It was Bud sprinting in).

Peggy rode well(strong as usual). More importantly ,she managed the heat better(thanks to Greg's suggestion for an extra water bottle,and Ray Torrey for the heads up on twofish water bottles).

Finally,let's hope that Greg & Steve had no issues & we're able to finish their ride as well(I'm sure they're fine ,as both are really strong riders).

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by evblazer on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 11:33am

Is the air cooling for your helmet not keeping you cool with 100+ degree air blowing through it?
Do you have some extra ice that is just going to melt and cool down some rocks if you don't use it?
Did your MP3 player decide to stop working on mile 97 of a 134* mile ride and the endless corn fields driving you mad?
Intoducing the temperature controlled fuzzy logit helmet chiller
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2728762422_c08fed0132_m.jpg
Field tested through multiple versions in the middle of no where with over 35 successful miles tested!
/end commercial :D

Overall 9 hours and 50 minutes of riding time.
Trip was 12 hours and 22 minutes overall.
Consumed over 4 gallons of fluids (water, electrolyte water, a little ensure+protien, gatorade)
One piece of chocolate pie
Stopped 6+ times because of my failing brainbag zipper even though it is supported by my rear rack so I didnt' think I'd have any problems
Lost my bite valve in the last two miles which was the only thing I dropped that I didn't turn back to get.
I don't think anyone on the 300k finished before me! One of the upright riders I saw at the last stop said he normally got passed about 10 mile out of italy by some.

*Missed Double D stop 2 and had to hunt for it. I couldn't see the Double D on the Valero until I was going the opposite way.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Mrs Strada on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 11:36am

Italy Brevet 200k:
I used this as a heat training ride. To learn how to manage my heat issues. I used a cold cloth all day ( this made a big difference in holding core temp. down)
Steve also put an extra water cage on my bike ( Thanks Ray love the 2 fish)and to Greg for reminding me to use cold water to cool off while riding!I didn't have any of my typical heat related problems yesterday. I did feel strong all day long I was able to work on some sprints several times. I think I could have ridden harder, but that was not what this was about, it was to learn how to balance speed, effort, number of stops in the heat.

This is a great route mostly flat, last30 miles have some great rollers, a lot a chip seal. (yuk)

Bud and Steve as always thank you for riding with me, I love the company and coaching or in Steve case the sprint training( riding for city, county signs)I'm just not able to beat him on a sprint. He tapant's me at ever sign letting me think I might be able to win then he just pulls away to win the sign. What a creep, but his my lovable creep.
Greg and Steve I hope all went well on your first 300k. I'm sure it did you have trained for it all year.
Evblazer congratulations on completing your 2nd 2ook , this a was a difficult one in the heat.
Mrs Strada

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Strada177 on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 11:49am

evblazer wrote:

Is the air cooling for your helmet not keeping you cool with 100+ degree air blowing through it?
Do you have some extra ice that is just going to melt and cool down some rocks if you don't use it?
Did your MP3 player decide to stop working on mile 97 of a 134* mile ride and the endless corn fields driving you mad?
Intoducing the temperature controlled fuzzy logit helmet chiller
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2728762422_c08fed0132_m.jpg
Field tested through multiple versions in the middle of no where with over 35 successful miles tested!
/end commercial :D

Overall 9 hours and 50 minutes of riding time.
Trip was 12 hours and 22 minutes overall.
Consumed over 4 gallons of fluids (water, electrolyte water, a little ensure+protien, gatorade)
One piece of chocolate pie
Stopped 6+ times because of my failing brainbag zipper even though it is supported by my rear rack so I didnt' think I'd have any problems
Lost my bite valve in the last two miles which was the only thing I dropped that I didn't turn back to get.

*Missed Double D stop 2 and had to hunt for it. I couldn't see the Double D on the Valero until I was going the opposite way.

4 Gallons of fluids?? Missing bite valve, can't find the control ,AND we're doing this for fun 100+ degree temps? So how do you feel today?? I bet you want view corn fields in the same way as you did previously!

As a side note,this topic came up yesterday on our ride...thanks to our wonderful LSR/Rbent friends ,in 2008 Peggy & I have now ridden in 30 degrees of frigid cold(thanks Nelson & Ray)in February & now 105 degree pizza oven(thanks Bud)heat in August. A 75 degree swing in temperature. What does this mean?

A)-we're nuts
B)- I would rather be hot than cold.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by evblazer on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 12:15pm

Strada177 wrote:

A)-we're nuts
B)- I would rather be hot than cold.

I still got my ski goggles and all kinds of winter gear from when I used to ride in the connecticut winters. I can even fit studs on my giro if needed.
BRING ON THE SNOW, BRING ON THE SLEET!!! Becoming a mobile steam generator, having to lay in the snow to cool off, building a little snowman on your rear rack and trying to get home with it surviving. What more fun could you want?

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 1:23pm

Brad Bedell wrote:

It was a reasonably uneventful ride considering it was the 2nd time out on the Baron AND my first century + for the year. I set out to do the 300k, but at mile 53 or so, I made the decision to make it a 200k ride instead. My body just wasn't adapted to the new riding position enough to spend the extra time on the bike, not to mention, I wasn't keeping a high enough pace to finish in time to make the Rangers game last night.

Missed the water stop at mile 93(?) Ran out of water at mile 95. Around mile 115, I found the Penelope Pitstop to be good for a quick coke and refill of water. Being behind the curve on hydration, I knew I had to back off and get recovered; I was at a 17.2 average when I backed off and finished with a 16.4 average with just under 8 hours of riding time. No cramping or heat related problems. I finished 4th overall on the 200k. Sharon, Daniel and someone else passed me at my unscheduled rest stop in Penelope. I did feel like a fried egg served sunny side up after the event.

To do it again, I'd take both water bladders and pack a bit better. I'd hit it harder out of the gate and take a proper lunch break. I didn't eat anything but Gel, energy bars and Gatorade. I didn't bonk, but my energy had dropped by the end due to the light dehydration at mile 100.

Good to see everyone out on the rides and congratulations on finishing! It was a tough day in the heat. They advertised 107 degrees for the high at the Rangers game, so I know it was hot.

Ok, there's a couple of things here that don't make sense to me. If you were signed up for the 300k, you can't switch to the 200k. You have to either ride the 300k or DNF (did not finish). And LSR's rules (http://lonestarrandon.tripod.com/lsr_rider_rules.htm) specifically say they don't want anyone riding who's not carrying a brevet card. I would hope that all us recumbent riders would respect their rules.

I don't know about Daniel, but Sharon told us she was riding the 300k, so it's unlikely that it was her who passed you.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by barlows on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 3:52pm

Greg and I made it okay, but that was the worst I've felt on a long ride. Turns out I was feeling the start of some kind of stomach bug, and it made dealing with the heat that much worse. We took lots of long breaks in the A/C where we could find it, and brought it in just after midnight. My computer only showed us to have been rolling for 12 hours, so that made for something in excess of 5 hours spent stopped. Seems like a long time, but probably time well spent in yesterday's heat.

Steve

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 4:53pm

Brad Bedell wrote:

It's really quite simple. I know my body and I know my limits. Regardless if I am training on a ride or in a race. If my body even mildly suggests that it is not going to finish a ride safely, or within my long term goals, I will modify the course as necessary. I'd rather receive a DNF or a DQ than a trip to the ER, long term injury or worse.

I would expect a fellow cyclist, such as yourself, to not imply that a rider to push themselves to the point of injury or put themselves in harm's way just so as to not 'break' a loosely written rule. I know LSR's creators would agree with this. Safety should be a top priority for all riders.

What planet are you on? I didn't imply any such thing. And it's not a loosely written rule, it's explicitly spelled out. I don't see where riding brevets without a brevet card and changing distances has anything to do with safety. Riding straight in from the point you switched distances would have been the safer move, wouldn't it? Hello???? Anybody home there?

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by aikigreg on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 5:00pm

Strada177 wrote:

Bud,you did NOT slow us down in the least. You helped pace us. I've learned a lot in the last 4/5 rando rides(and continue to learn) ,and the biggest thing is to pace yourself.

Finally,let's hope that Greg & Steve had no issues & we're able to finish their ride as well(I'm sure they're fine ,as both are really strong riders)

Steve - you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to rando riding. You've got to me more of a Steady Freddy than a Racing Rick.

Greg and Steve had a couple issues, but we made it. Finished at 12:07am. Took so dang long that the same clerk at the store saw us leaving and arriving! :o

I feel blessed to be able to complete such a ride in these conditions, even though I must be, as my Mother-in-Law told me for 10 minutes straight this morning, a complete idiot for doing it.

Steve is an absolute ironman for finishing this sucker as bad off as he obviously was.

Mark, my hat's off to you too. I DNF'd this exact 200k last year at mil 93 no less, and it was a lot cooler last summer, so you should feel very proud of your accomplishment, without doubt.

every one of these rides is a learning experience. I think I learned more from this one than I wanted to.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 5:01pm

barlows wrote:

Glad to you you two made it in ok. The heat was brutal enough, I wondered about all the 300k riders. Congrats to you both on your first 300k completed.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by aikigreg on Aug 3^rd, 2008, 5:07pm

Oh, and Steve still managed to outsprint me that last mile at the end.......what a beast! :o

Can't tell you how many gallons of liquid I had, but I can tell you the garmin says I expended 12,300 calories!

And a full on dog chase at 10:30 in the pitch dark when you can't see the dog or it's size will keep you awake - just in case you wanted to know!

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by MrOverdressed on Aug 4^th, 2008, 10:49am

Thankyou everyone for your posts. I enjoyed reading about the ride.
:)
Terry

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by evblazer on Aug 4^th, 2008, 3:57pm

Strada177 wrote:

I go through fluid like crazy and always have even when it isn't hot. If I am looking correctly 4 gallons is somewhere around 30 lbs depending on what each thing I took in weighed. When I got home I had only gained 2lbs over the course of the day so it was pretty close. I'm glad my seat doesn't absorb water of course my chamois did. So got some clothes without one and hopefully that works out.

Corn corn, probably ethanol corn at that, I never liked you corn. Ever since I tried growing some in my garden as a kid it just never was a good relationship. Now strawberries. Where are those nice fields of some nice strawberries. YUM!

Verizon didn't exactly help my recovery. A little stressed and up till nearly midnight waiting for find out if I had to mobilize after that long ride. Waiting over an hour on hold to cancel my travel arrangements. I finally got to sleep after 1am.
I took these pictures every few hours.. it just kept going
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/2734323900_62fd68c309.jpg?v=1217902830
and going
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2733494249_ce35d16d28.jpg?v=0
and going!!! I mean we were out there so long and it was so hot the grass turned brown between 1pm and 5pm :D
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2733494165_c85d24cde4.jpg?v=0
Until finally there was hope that no more corn was going to be seen!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2734323824_d0ae5013b4.jpg?v=1217902854

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 4^th, 2008, 4:20pm

aikigreg wrote:

At mile 63, the easiest way seems to be what Brad did - stop the ride, DNF the 300k, and take the known route home. I personally would have rather finished the ride by moving forward than turning around and doing another inch of that godawful chipseal. Besides, if I had thought I couldn't make the 300k but would have problems no with the 200k, and I was already into the ride, I would think I would sit back, relax, enjoy the scenery and company, and do the smaller ride. At least then I'd have a cue sheet, instead of riding an unknown quantity of roads that may be unsafe. Where's the harm in that, or am I missing something? I pretty much said I might do the same in my message on the LSR board. *shrug* no big deal. We all had fun, right?

And you didn't notice that Dan Driscoll posted right after you did, saying you couldn't change distances?

Perhaps I was too short with Brad. I didn't realize he had someone he considered experienced giving him bad information.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 4^th, 2008, 5:50pm

Brad Bedell wrote:

edited.

Actually, I was just going to keep quiet on the whole thing until you posted your report telling everyone you were ignoring the rules. I found it hard not to comment after that.

Maybe we randonneurs here have pushed randonneuring so much we're starting to attract people who really aren't interested in randonneuring at all. I'll try to keep that in mind as I post about future upcoming randonneuring events, since LSR states plainly that they don't want riders who are just using the rides for training, and not interested in completing brevets.

This last post was your first instance of name calling here. After your second instance, you won't be a forum member any longer.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Kwijybow on Aug 4^th, 2008, 7:17pm

I wasn't under the impression that Brad was changing to get credit, I interpreted that he made the hard decision to abort the 300K and take the DNF going back the shorter way. A decision I applaud, too often its easy to get in trouble trying to complete the goal distance without enough regard to our health and safety. But there may be aspects I don't know about or missed. Brad did you actually get credit for a 200K when having declared the 300K as his ride? In that case I'm afraid you should disqualify yourself. Quite a few club administrators have gotten in trouble and removed for that in the last year, and I imagine Dan would be quite sensitive about that happening. There are a lot of rules with Randonneuring I'm not always compatible with, but I'm happy to occaisionaly play the game because it can be quite fun. When I do I accept that I must go by the rules.

Anyway maybe none of my business, just seeking clarification on this disagreement.

By the way congratulations to everybody for finishing under very difficult conditions! True Randonneurs!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 4^th, 2008, 9:07pm

Kwijybow wrote:

I wasn't under the impression that Brad was changing to get credit

I don't think anyone is claiming Brad's trying to get credit. In fact, as far as I know, he's not gotten a single brevet card signed in any of the three randonneuring rides he's done (started?). (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.) LSR's rules specifically ban that, and it's hard to believe that trying to get rbent members to abide by that is causing this much of a stink.

If anyone else has problems with my handling of this and feels the urge to call me names, pm me and do the name calling in private. Anyone who knows me knows I don't threaten lightly.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by aikigreg on Aug 4^th, 2008, 11:10pm

Where's that button that will go back in time and puts me safely in bed that morning? *looks around*

dang, misplaced again. I know I left them next to the ruby slippers! ;)

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Kwijybow on Aug 4^th, 2008, 11:24pm

Mark that corn looks mighty parched! I remember being very hot in that same area last year on a 200K permanent with Ray, and Dennis, so I can sympathize!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Strada177 on Aug 4^th, 2008, 11:37pm

Kwijybow wrote:

Mark that corn looks mighty parched! I remember being very hot in that same area last year on a 200K permanent with Ray, and Dennis, so I can sympathize!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Nelson ,we missed you ,Ray & Paul on the ride. Maybe we can do the 300K ride together in October(Italy revisited).

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Kwijybow on Aug 4^th, 2008, 11:45pm

Hi Steve, Sounds like a wonderful idea (and hopefully a cooler one too!)

Ray and I are percolating on making the TTTT practice next weekend, so look forward to seeing you guys hopefully!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by aikigreg on Aug 4^th, 2008, 11:46pm

Strada177 wrote:

[quote author=Kwijybow link=1217728086/15#27 date=1217910269]Mark that corn looks mighty parched! I remember being very hot in that same area last year on a 200K permanent with Ray, and Dennis, so I can sympathize!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Rawhide on Aug 5^th, 2008, 5:31am

Well, after reading all of this drama, I'm glad work keeps me tied up too much to participate in something I thought I'd really like to try. I will easily be content to do my own thing, my own way, when I want to. I haven't missed anything. DJ

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Strada177 on Aug 5^th, 2008, 7:42am

aikigreg wrote:

[quote author=Strada177 link=1217728086/15#28 date=1217911044][quote author=Kwijybow link=1217728086/15#27 date=1217910269]Mark that corn looks mighty parched! I remember being very hot in that same area last year on a 200K permanent with Ray, and Dennis, so I can sympathize!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by evblazer on Aug 5^th, 2008, 8:25am

Strada177 wrote:

[quote author=aikigreg link=1217728086/30#30 date=1217911604][quote author=Strada177 link=1217728086/15#28 date=1217911044][quote author=Kwijybow link=1217728086/15#27 date=1217910269]Mark that corn looks mighty parched! I remember being very hot in that same area last year on a 200K permanent with Ray, and Dennis, so I can sympathize!

Take Care,
Nelson.

Nelson ,we missed you ,Ray & Paul on the ride. Maybe we can do the 300K ride together in October(Italy revisited). [/quote]

Can I come to? It'd be a privelige to ride with the best group of riders I've ever met! [/quote]

Greg, absolutely. I figured it was a given you would ride the 300K in Italy in October(now you got the 200K mastered).

[/quote]
Wheee quote pyramid..
I just have to say.. Until pigs or myself fly I shall not be seeing those cornfields again ;)
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/03-29/evil-corn-copyright1.gif

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 5^th, 2008, 9:00am

Strada177 wrote:

Nelson ,we missed you ,Ray & Paul on the ride. Maybe we can do the 300K ride together in October(Italy revisited).

I hope that stretch of new chipseal is a little smoother by then...

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by FlyingLaZBoy on Aug 5^th, 2008, 9:07am

Might I make a "public" plea to lighten up a bit on the current "rando rules" comments....? From what I've gathered, Brad took one approach to riding the event, and was unaware of (or chose to disregard) the basic rules the LSR group runs their rides by, regarding getting cards signed, etc. He DID join LSR/RUSA that day for the ride -- whether he participates in future events is up to him, now that he has a better feel for what the club wants participants to do.

We all know how text reading can be misinterpreted and basic intents misunderstood... Chill, guys... please? :)

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 5^th, 2008, 9:08am

Brad Bedell wrote:

Bud, it seems we've gotten off to the wrong start. One thing about me, I treat people with the exact same respect they show to me, regardless of race, creed, color or age. I was actually saving this for an in person commentary to remove the subtle nuances in the written word. Since I won't see you for at least a couple of weeks and it's now exploded, I'll handle it here, in public as you chose to do with me. If you wish to continue it in private, delete ALL of my posts and do so.

First things first. Saturday was my first day as a member of LSR. I told Sharon that I didn't know what distance I was going to finish, since it was my 2nd ride on the bike, at the beginning of the ride on Saturday. She seemed okay with it at the time, but by her body-language, I understood that I needed to fill the cards out in the future.

While I agree, that I didn't have cards signed. My first two rides were Populaires and I wasn't even a member and was not RSVP'd when I showed up to ride the populaires. I've always ridden organized rides this way and you are the first and only person who has cared.

When giving advice, such as yours supra, you should consider following your own rules of respect. If you wish to call someone out for not following rules of a ride that you didn't organize, PM them or do it in private. A quick pm of "Hey, I noticed you weren't filling cards out. LSR has specific rules against this and strongly urges the rules to be followed." would have been completely respectful and considerate of someone may or may not have known the rules. In fact, a PM like this would have been well received by me and received a 'thank you, I wasn't aware of it' reply. Even though, I did know the rules. With the approach you took, compounded with how you attacked Greg's comments for something that he did not advise me to do, I assumed you were only out looking for an Internet argument. IF it wasn't this, what exactly were you trying to accomplish by berating me with the rules in a public forum?

I hadn't planned on commenting on your peculiar randonneuring riding at all. I was going to let Dan Driscoll hande it; they're his rules, and I'm sure he's had this kind of problem before. Your post in this public forum changed that. I probably should have just stuck to plan A. But I really didn't like seeing what appeared to me to be such disregard for the rules posted here, and we recumbent riders already get enough flack from other riders, without inviting more with stuff like this.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 5^th, 2008, 11:35am

Rawhide wrote:

Sorry if we soured you on randonneuring, DJ. With its extreme challenges of long distance rides, and more rules than just about any other type of riding, it's prone to this. You need only go back a few months in the LSR google group to find harsher words exchanged there than what were here.

Title: Re: August 2nd LSR 200k and 300k brevets
Post by Bud_Bent on Aug 5^th, 2008, 12:04pm

evblazer wrote:

I just have to say.. Until pigs or myself fly I shall not be seeing those cornfields again ;)

Aw c'mon, Mark! Let's go practice that route next week....