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Reply #15 - Jun 18th, 2017, 11:08pm
 
Having met both of those folks over the years, I can tell you thats Freddie in the video as the pilot.   I can't tell what bike they are using though as a lot of bikes were made with similar style shells in that era ..  
 
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I just found this, Dean Pedersen going 78 mph at BM in his Rotator Coyote. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EDF581257D82E6B. That is pretty darn fast! Well the caption said Dean, the video says Fast Freddie! Now I am really confused. Smiley

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Reply #16 - Jun 19th, 2017, 8:49am
 
Steve Delaire, the builder of the two bikes, said Dean's weighed 45 pounds and he raced it for 13 years until a few years ago he got hit by an automobile and destroyed. The other bike weighed 35 pounds and has not been heard from since he sold it. Steve is out of the bike builder business and now works for an energy company.  
 
I think the bike in the video is actually Gardner Martin's bike that Fast Freddie rode at Battle Mountain. His 77+ mph run was the time to beat until Sam went 80 mph.  
 
I am at a crossroads myself whether or not I am going to re-build my coroplast Phantom, coroplast Musashi, or coroplast Baron fairings. The Phantom I could hold 30+ mph with the coroplast fairing, but I think with the Musashi or Baron, I could hold closer to 35 mph. The Phantom is more robust, upright seat, and heavier built. The Musashi and Baron, I would have to raise the seat up to be able to see. Whatever I end up doing, they will be used for racing and winter riding. You were right about the spandex getting too heavy when it rained or was very humid. I had to use 1" rigid foam to keep the spandex from collapsing in on me. The spandex was easier to ride in heavy winds though. The coroplast is faster.  
 
Decisions, decisions! At my age I need all the help I can get to go faster. As you know first hand Doug, once up to speed, the velos and streamliners take a lot less energy to maintain speed. I can hit the mid 30's on the Musashi and Baron, just not for very long. With the fairing, I can hold those speeds with way less energy.
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Reply #17 - Jun 19th, 2017, 4:24pm
 
yeah sorry about being right about that spandex,   I road an F90 for years until a couple of good rain storms convinced me that spandex fairing was a really bad idea .  No amount of "scotch guard" was going to fix something like that.   Still, when its not raining its pretty sweet.  
 
Where's that quote about the bikes from?   ..  Mine is likely the second one being cited ..   I'd like to track down the author and wave a flag  exclaiming "over here"  
 
To your thoughts, are you wanting to go fast over distance or just go fast?   as the two are not equal and there are a lot of thoughts around both ..     There's a guy on BROL which made a cloroplast velo over the top of an ICE QNT  and its quite remarkable  http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=118961
 
There is also a quest shell for sell from a quest that might be a good project shell  http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=134358
 
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Steve Delaire, the builder of the two bikes, said Dean's weighed 45 pounds and he raced it for 13 years until a few years ago he got hit by an automobile and destroyed. The other bike weighed 35 pounds and has not been heard from since he sold it. Steve is out of the bike builder business and now works for an energy company.

I think the bike in the video is actually Gardner Martin's bike that Fast Freddie rode at Battle Mountain. His 77+ mph run was the time to beat until Sam went 80 mph.

I am at a crossroads myself whether or not I am going to re-build my coroplast Phantom, coroplast Musashi, or coroplast Baron fairings. The Phantom I could hold 30+ mph with the coroplast fairing, but I think with the Musashi or Baron, I could hold closer to 35 mph. The Phantom is more robust, upright seat, and heavier built. The Musashi and Baron, I would have to raise the seat up to be able to see. Whatever I end up doing, they will be used for racing and winter riding. You were right about the spandex getting too heavy when it rained or was very humid. I had to use 1" rigid foam to keep the spandex from collapsing in on me. The spandex was easier to ride in heavy winds though. The coroplast is faster.

Decisions, decisions! At my age I need all the help I can get to go faster. As you know first hand Doug, once up to speed, the velos and streamliners take a lot less energy to maintain speed. I can hit the mid 30's on the Musashi and Baron, just not for very long. With the fairing, I can hold those speeds with way less energy.

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Reply #18 - Jun 19th, 2017, 6:47pm
 
I thought I had read that Steve said it, but it is just some guy on BROL. Here is the link: http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=5647. I read it in a few other places too. I guess I read too much, but can only retain parts of what I read. darn, getting older really... you know.
 
Thanks for the link to Orin Peters corovelo. My trike would not be nearly as fast as an Ice, but I might experiment with building a coro body for it anyway. My answer to your question about wanting to go fast or fast over distance is, yes and yes. I'll build a coro shell for the trike and one for the Baron. I'll use the Baron for HPV racing and sprints. I'll use the trike for long distance. If I can come close to Orin's build, I'll build one later for a faster trike.
 
I wonder if I can get a shell built for my trike and make it to Paris, TX in time? I'll try. If I can get it done in time, I'll ride it from Sanger to Paris and back. If not, maybe I'll ride either the Musashi or Baron there and back. Are you planning on going to Paris? Riding over in the new Quad?
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Reply #19 - Jun 20th, 2017, 8:19am
 
Yeah I knew about that thread .. its back from 2004 during a time I wasn't online much as I was busy trying to make it one day at a time ..  Online just wasn't so meaningful anymore.
 
 
Orin Peters machine is quite fast .. I think its his 5th generation ..   A lot of people are begging for him to post plans (as you can see from the forums)  but I think there really arn't any ..   I think he truely hand sanded and hand assembled the entire thing to fit ..  At one point he talks about using a sanding block to remove a little coloplast at a time so that he could get the fit just right.      Impressive workmanship and patience ..  
 
For Paris, thats still my intention ..  I need to plan a route and watch the weather and things ..   I also need to see if i can talk square_corners into it as I think thats the kind of thing he'd like  
 
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I thought I had read that Steve said it, but it is just some guy on BROL. Here is the link: http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=5647. I read it in a few other places too. I guess I read too much, but can only retain parts of what I read. darn, getting older really... you know.

Thanks for the link to Orin Peters corovelo. My trike would not be nearly as fast as an Ice, but I might experiment with building a coro body for it anyway. My answer to your question about wanting to go fast or fast over distance is, yes and yes. I'll build a coro shell for the trike and one for the Baron. I'll use the Baron for HPV racing and sprints. I'll use the trike for long distance. If I can come close to Orin's build, I'll build one later for a faster trike.

I wonder if I can get a shell built for my trike and make it to Paris, TX in time? I'll try. If I can get it done in time, I'll ride it from Sanger to Paris and back. If not, maybe I'll ride either the Musashi or Baron there and back. Are you planning on going to Paris? Riding over in the new Quad?

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Reply #20 - Jun 20th, 2017, 10:39am
 
Yes, Orin's build is very nice. I have read his blog, flickr, and website, and all the BROL stuff. I think I will start on mine in the next few days. I'll make up a cardboard template before I start cutting my coro. Yeah, Orin cut outside the lines on his coro and sanded to fit. He only used a few electrical ties and screws, mostly used tape and a little hot glue. I might leave the hood off until later in the fall. Too hot for me right now.
 
I will take I-35 service rd to Gainesville, and then take TX-56, county roads, and US-82 most of the way. I was going to take the NETT, North East Texas Trail, but it is in rough conditions in several spots. Plus, it is another 35 or so miles for me. Come on Daniel, you know you want to go!
 
I hope to make the Rally in Austin next year also.
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Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2017, 4:19pm
 
This is basically what I am building for the Phantom: http://wao.com/trips/monterey-2000/large/P0003895.jpg,
http://wao.com/trips/monterey-2000/large/P0003894.jpg
 
I am starting on a fairing for my trike similar to Orin Peters Velomobile.  
 
As hot as it is, I might just ride the Musashi to Paris. If I can get the trike done in time with fans inside it, I will ride it. Or then again, maybe the Phantom coroliner with fans inside it, or the Baron, or... Ha, ha. Hope to see everyone there.
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